Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

[stonesoffire]

I have prayed without fasting and seen Gods healing, Does this count sis?

Have you raised the dead? That's what we are discussing. And cancer....delivered from immediately? Or chemo and radiation, plus surgery?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you raised the dead? That's what we are discussing. And cancer....delivered from immediately? Or chemo and radiation, plus surgery?

I am discussing a man who supposedly threw a baby against a wall or to the ground, and I am sorry, But I do not believe the mans wife was raised. Not in that way, Jesus did not hold a body up and let it fall to the ground numerous times, He said, Get up and walk. Or wake up.

As for the healing. It was immediate. The girls was told the prognosis. The next time when she went in to be told the plan of attack to try to extend her life. The stuff was gone, The doctors claimed it was a miracle.

And many of us prayed that same prayer, it was not just one of us. So no one could boast. And many witnessed the power of God.

 

[SpoonJuly]

like you judge all those who speak in tongues?

full circle then

at any rate, God is your judge. if you are offended then maybe the hammer hit a nail?

dunno

At no time have I said or even hinted that those who believe in the gift of tongues are lost.
Salvation is a matter between God and each individual. No man has a right to judge another's salvation.
If you want to believe in what I believe to be heresy, that is between you and God, but when you began to proclaim it as truth and judge those who disagree as not having salvation, as many do, than My anger will be seen.

 

[stonesoffire]

Um Did not my prayer have power? A girl was healed of emphysema, and 2 spots in her lungs which the doctors said was cancer, disappeared. The girl that was told had maybe 2 years to live has now lived over 10 years. Which no signs of those things ever returning?

My questioning was is throwing a baby to the ground from God? Did they act that way in the NT?

Wigglesworth was used for healing in the same manner as the disciples when sent out to minister. Many, not just a few here and there. And are you now embellishing on the story? I suggest you read it from one who knew him.

But am not so sure now that you are asking in honesty. What I feel you are doing is throwing up a wall of defense and wanting to say you have as much power without the gifts. Is this so? But, ye shall receive power after Holy Spirit comes upon you. Did this happen?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What you have stated here is exactly where many of us have started in this discussion. Not just in this thread. I agree COMPLETELY with your thinking here, but the more you talk about how maniacal endless laughter, rolling on the floor, barking like a dog, slain in the spirit by touching or waving your hand at somebody, or using violence to heal somebody, the more virulent the response will be from those that don't agree with you.

I also believe the Lord can use tongues and healing FOR HIS PURPOSES, on HIS timing, and NOT to satisfy someone's desire for an "experience". But that doesn't cut it with many. Be Blessed sister.

well if that were true

all the gifts are for Gods purposes

most if not all have stated that the actions in the videos you present are not proper yet you continually post as if we agreed with them

I actually do not believe you when you say the Lord can 'use tongues etc for his purposes'

what purposes and where? you deny praying in the spirit don't you? as others here do also

so that is a purpose of tongues but it is not in accordance with what you accept

just one thing. if someone is truly searching and all you have to offer is MacArthur that speaks loud and clear where you really stand

 

[stonesoffire]

I am discussing a man who supposedly threw a baby against a wall or to the ground, and I am sorry, But I do not believe the mans wife was raised. Not in that way, Jesus did not hold a body up and let it fall to the ground numerous times, He said, Get up and walk. Or wake up.

As for the healing. It was immediate. The girls was told the prognosis. The next time when she went in to be told the plan of attack to try to extend her life. The stuff was gone, The doctors claimed it was a miracle.

And many of us prayed that same prayer, it was not just one of us. So no one could boast. And many witnessed the power of God.

What you said at the last of your post is an accusation EG. Just because there are miracles and people tell them...isn't boasting. Wigglesworth was a humble man. And he glorified Jesus!

Am glad one was healed....but Holy Spirit wants to heal all. Just like Jesus. And in His name! If we all move in the power of Holy Spirit, then Jesus is glorified through His body.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wigglesworth was used for healing in the same manner as the disciples when sent out to minister. Many, not just a few here and there. And are you now embellishing on the story? I suggest you read it from one who knew him.

But am not so sure now that you are asking in honesty. What I feel you are doing is throwing up a wall of defense and wanting to say you have as much power without the gifts. Is this so? But, ye shall receive power after Holy Spirit comes upon you. Did this happen?

All I did was ask if the accusations against him are real sis.

Thats it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What you said at the last of your post is an accusation EG. Just because there are miracles and people tell them...isn't boasting. Wigglesworth was a humble man. And he glorified Jesus!

Am glad one was healed....but Holy Spirit wants to heal all. Just like Jesus. And in His name! If we all move in the power of Holy Spirit, then Jesus is glorified through His body.

Take from it whatever you wish

Once again, Did that man throw a baby on the floor or agains the wall or not? And did Jesus raise people from the dead by standing them up and letting them fall multiple times (which would cause harm to their fleshly bodies)

 

[stonesoffire]

All I did was ask if the accusations against him are real sis.

Thats it.

Who is accusing? That's the real question. Not all who understand the baptism of Holy Spirit. And what's the outcome. The means is more important than the result? That's twisted thinking.

I doubt he threw a baby to the ground as you would picture it. Was the baby hurt? If not then it wasn't by Wigglesworth. That's the point. The power of God was moving.

 

[stonesoffire]

Take from it whatever you wish

Once again, Did that man throw a baby on the floor or agains the wall or not? And did Jesus raise people from the dead by standing them up and letting them fall multiple times (which would cause harm to their fleshly bodies)

Harm? lol you aren't reading my post in comprehension.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

At no time have I said or even hinted that those who believe in the gift of tongues are lost.
Salvation is a matter between God and each individual. No man has a right to judge another's salvation.
If you want to believe in what I believe to be heresy, that is between you and God, but when you began to proclaim it as truth and judge those who disagree as not having salvation, as many do, than My anger will be seen.

do you have to come out and say the actual words?

I don't find a difference between the 2

apparently, neither is correct. you can't take a stand on something and then say well what I said is not as bad

actually salvation is not between God and each individual. we are not islands floating around hoping for the best

don't put words in mouth regarding heresy. what Paul teaches on tongues is true and still happening today

your anger will be seen? do you have any idea of how silly that sounds?


I mean what does that even mean? nonsense

 

[Wansvic]

The bible does not say such. The bible states the gospel from adam until the end of time is faith in Christ. What you are teaching here is a different gospel. And I suggest you look at Gal 3 for the warning paul gave you who think we need to earn our salvation by works of the flesh.

1. There is no baptism in this saying of Jesus, If there was, Jesus would have told nicodemus, That God so loved the workd, whoever believes AND IS BAPTISED shall never die but has eternal life.

2. This does not prove your case. This is ONE example of what happened when people got saved

3. Peter told EVERYONE to repent. He only told a certain group to be baptised. The people who were baptized were baptised BECAUSE they received the gift of the spirit, because they HAD remission of sin already.

4. This was a sign to peter, because peter could not believe gentiles could be saved and given the same gifts as he received. This again is not the norm

5. Again, A sign, Not the norm, Look up in the bible Every time God changed, things like this occured. And quickly faded, because their was enough proof that this was real.

What you have done is added works to the gospel of Grace, Which pauls calls a false gospel. Like your brother waggles has done.

I have not looked to see how many charismatic believers have called you out on it, This is leaning me to believe they all believe the same, which (if true) means speaking in gifts is the LEAST of their problems. And we need to share with you (them) the gospel and not worry about these gifts,

It would be great to see actual scriptures that backup your interpretation.
1. Jesus said a man must be born of water and Spirit to enter Heaven.
2. It is not normal for God to use different ways for individuals or groups to be saved. God's word will always and does confirm itself. If what you say is true, judgment day will be very interesting.
3. Not so. Peter said repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of Jesus for the remission of sin and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. NOTICE: No comment about already receiving the gift. He said ye shall (future tense)
4. No. This occurred to show that all groups of people were to follow the example first presented to the Jews on the Day of Pentecost. All of mankind is made up of these groups; Jews, Gentiles, Samaritans. (half Jew-Half Gentile)
5. I disagree again. The disciples at Ephesus again were shown and followed the 3 things commanded after belief in Jesus' sacrifice.
This account debunks your belief that the Jewish, Gentile, an Samaritan experiences are only recorded to show they are included in God's salvation plan. The account depicts no specific group, but rather individuals receiving and acting upon the same message given by Peter.
6. The evidence of tongues at the infilling of the Holy Ghost differs from the Spiritual gift of tongues explained by Paul in 1 Corinthians. One provides evidence of the infilling providing a means of communicating with God's Spirit. The other is a gift given and interpreted for edification of the church body.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom which he then presented on the Day of Pentecost. I could see you objecting to one not following commands in the Word; however, you disparage those who accept and act in obedience to the Word.

Very confusing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who is accusing? That's the real question. Not all who understand the baptism of Holy Spirit. And what's the outcome. The means is more important than the result? That's twisted thinking.

I think you have seen the videos sis. Are you going to answer or not?

And you do not understand the baptism of the spirit. So I would probably suggest you stop thinking others do not.

I doubt he threw a baby to the ground as you would picture it. Was the baby hurt? If not then it wasn't by Wigglesworth. That's the point. The power of God was moving.

So he probably did throw the baby to the ground. When did God ever do this sis?

So you honestly want to sit here and tell me you believe that was from God? When did God or any apostle do this in scripture?

Are you so desperate to defend anyone who agrees with you that you would stoop this low to say this is from God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Harm? lol you aren't reading my post in comprehension.

No, I am reading your post and using science. (Something you seem to be missing)

I worked in the medical field. And did quite a few years in orthopedics. I understand what happens to a body that falls to the ground,

Once again, Did God or any of the apostles us this method to heal people, Or did they just pray for them, and sometimes lay hands on them?

 

[stonesoffire]

No, I am reading your post and using science. (Something you seem to be missing)

I worked in the medical field. And did quite a few years in orthopedics. I understand what happens to a body that falls to the ground,

Once again, Did God or any of the apostles us this method to heal people, Or did they just pray for them, and sometimes lay hands on them?

I too worked in the medical field. Nursing.

But, I understand what happens when the power of God hits one and they move....none are hurt. Healed, delivered of whatever afflictions may be, but not physically hurt.

That's the point I make!

 

[stonesoffire]

I too worked in the medical field. Nursing.

But, I understand what happens when the power of God hits one and they move....none are hurt. Healed, delivered of whatever afflictions may be, but not physically hurt.

That's the point I make!

And definitely not science. sheesh EG...

 

[stonesoffire]

No, I am reading your post and using science. (Something you seem to be missing)

I worked in the medical field. And did quite a few years in orthopedics. I understand what happens to a body that falls to the ground,

Once again, Did God or any of the apostles us this method to heal people, Or did they just pray for them, and sometimes lay hands on them?

What are the greater works that the body of Jesus on earth will do EG?

 

[stonesoffire]

I think you have seen the videos sis. Are you going to answer or not?

And you do not understand the baptism of the spirit. So I would probably suggest you stop thinking others do not.





So he probably did throw the baby to the ground. When did God ever do this sis?

So you honestly want to sit here and tell me you believe that was from God? When did God or any apostle do this in scripture?

Are you so desperate to defend anyone who agrees with you that you would stoop this low to say this is from God?

Do you not see that God is not just in the 66 books? Jesus said and did so many things that the world could not contain all the books written of them. John. Or is he a liar?

 

[Wansvic]

The disciples in Acts 19 had believed in the message of John. Johns message was that the Messiah was to come. These disciples had not yet heard that Jesus was the messiah and that Jesus had been crucified and risen from the tomb. Upon hearing this the complete gospel they received the Holy Spirit and were saved. Paul then laid his hands on them that they might be filled with the Holy Spirit like the disciples at Pentecost. They spoke in tongues and prophesied.

Acts 10 gives the reason that these new converts spoke in tongues. Peter says can any forbid water that these should not be baptized which HAVE received the Holy Spirit as well as we. They did not receive the Holy Spirit because of the water baptism they received the Holy Spirit because of their belief which resulted in a change of heart. They gave evidence to their salvation so that others could not deny their conversion.

Important thing to know about water baptism in the early church. Jews could profess Christ and their families would plead with them to recant until they were water baptized. After water baptism they were counted as dead to those who remained in Judaism. Much the same today in that a Jewish convert after water baptism is considered dead to the Jewish faith.

For the cause of ChristI
Roger

I cannot begin to count the times I have told you that one does not have to be water baptized first to then receive the Holy Ghost afterward.
The Word records some people getting the Holy Ghost first and afterward getting baptized in water. Acts 2 and 10
And, there are times when people get water baptized first. Acts 8 and 19
The point is both water and Holy Ghost baptisms occurred in all cases.

 

[stonesoffire]

Do you not see that God is not just in the 66 books? Jesus said and did so many things that the world could not contain all the books written of them. John. Or is he a liar?

I don't watch videos. Don't have the time here. And who can really state all they know about Holy Spirit? Describe the wind...is powerful at times, is gentle others.

Can destroy and can refresh. He is more than words on pages. You just can't harness Him to go your way.