Question for OSAS people. (from a believer who believes that God does indeed preserve us)
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NO the understanding that many have concerning OSAS
Is that a person that Is once saved they will always be saved because GOD gave those that believe HIS WORD salvation making their spirits perfect and sealing their spirits.When something Is sealed by GOD nothing can unseal It but then some believe that the person can unseal their PERFECT spirits.
IMO, Its not that a person will do all this sin and still be saved once they get saved because the Bible says that all who have this hope ,the hope of Eternal Life with the LORD they will SEEK to perfect their flesh to match their spirits
and that’s why we say If that person Is doing all this sin then I would question If they were ever saved In the first place.
Is that a person that Is once saved they will always be saved because GOD gave those that believe HIS WORD salvation making their spirits perfect and sealing their spirits.When something Is sealed by GOD nothing can unseal It but then some believe that the person can unseal their PERFECT spirits.
IMO, Its not that a person will do all this sin and still be saved once they get saved because the Bible says that all who have this hope ,the hope of Eternal Life with the LORD they will SEEK to perfect their flesh to match their spirits
and that’s why we say If that person Is doing all this sin then I would question If they were ever saved In the first place.
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The supposition that one can cease to believe in Christ would require a false belief and understanding of Christ Himself. If one understands that salvation is a change from dead in sin to alive in Christ one begins to perceive the unchangeable nature of salvation. As the caterpillar changes when it becomes a butterfly it can no longer return to its prior estate.
Did God save you or are you the product of mans evangelism? Were you manufactured to add to the numbers of an evangelist or were you genuinely under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment brought by the Holy Spirit through the preaching of Gods word? Do you have the John 16:8-11 experience?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Did God save you or are you the product of mans evangelism? Were you manufactured to add to the numbers of an evangelist or were you genuinely under conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment brought by the Holy Spirit through the preaching of Gods word? Do you have the John 16:8-11 experience?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I just had someone tell me on another thread that the doctrine of "perserverance of the saints" is "helping Jesus save us". Have you ever heard anything so ludicrous?
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Those who have been born again and received salvation would have no desire to sin all that they want or stop believing in Jesus. Those that have been born again live the rest of their lives in the repentance process comforted and guided by the Holy Spirit. They may still occasionally sin but the Holy Spirit would convict them of that. If they are sinning all that they want then they were obviously not born again and as of yet no salvation either.
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Here is my latest reply to the people who defend the statement quoted in the OP...
Those who have truly received GRACE have
a. Been taught to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.
b. Been taught to live soberly, righteousnly in this present world. (or age)
c. Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of our Great God and Saviour.
d. Have been redeemed from all iniquity.
e. Have been redeemed by Christ, with the intent to be a purified, peculiar people, zealous of good works.
f. And we are to teach these thing with all authority, and not allow ourselves to be despised.
Those who have truly received GRACE have
a. Been taught to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts.
b. Been taught to live soberly, righteousnly in this present world. (or age)
c. Looking for the blessed hope and appearing of our Great God and Saviour.
d. Have been redeemed from all iniquity.
e. Have been redeemed by Christ, with the intent to be a purified, peculiar people, zealous of good works.
f. And we are to teach these thing with all authority, and not allow ourselves to be despised.
The case against the false doctrine of OSAS
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their
own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Hebrews 6:
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
38 but my righteous ones shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
Hebrews 10:
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their
own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Hebrews 6:
26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
38 but my righteous ones shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.
Hebrews 10:
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