The Gospel continues to be misunderstood
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If you mean by that that water baptism is not necessary for Christians today, that too is incorrect. The quotation from Paul simply established that his primary responsibility was to preach the Gospel, but in the same context baptism was required and others baptized new converts while Paul baptized only a few.
1 CORINTHIANS 1 (WATER BAPTISM NECESSARY)
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but [except] Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
1 CORINTHIANS 1 (WATER BAPTISM NECESSARY)
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but [except] Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
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Most confusion comes when dealing with our hearts, who we truly are and our emotional reaction to life.
I have seen formula believers, who believe the words in isolation, yet live as if the words are not true.
Others who believe the ideas, yet try and live a righteous life without love, with a heart focused on
the world.
The idea of being born again, starting life with Christ as a child, relearning every aspect of how
we relate and why is not part of their approach. To even talk about open hearts and transformation
is resisted as if this is evil and wrong.
Little wonder therefore such believers cause so much strife as not only are they preaching a different
gospel they have no spiritual experience to actually discover Jesus or grow in faith, as their God is
not the God of repentance and rebirth, but sinners going to heaven where God does everything, and
the believer just rests.......
I have seen formula believers, who believe the words in isolation, yet live as if the words are not true.
Others who believe the ideas, yet try and live a righteous life without love, with a heart focused on
the world.
The idea of being born again, starting life with Christ as a child, relearning every aspect of how
we relate and why is not part of their approach. To even talk about open hearts and transformation
is resisted as if this is evil and wrong.
Little wonder therefore such believers cause so much strife as not only are they preaching a different
gospel they have no spiritual experience to actually discover Jesus or grow in faith, as their God is
not the God of repentance and rebirth, but sinners going to heaven where God does everything, and
the believer just rests.......
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Mark 16
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Acts 2
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
These words present difficulty to believers who don't believe that with the salvation of Paul, there was a change in dispensation.
They can only ignore these verses and claimed that it was actually the DBR of Jesus that saved, but they forgot, ironically, that this "secret/mystery" was revealed only to the Apostle Paul and not to the 12.
You cannot have it both ways, either you believe that the Gospel of Grace only came thru the Apostle Paul, or you stick to the Gospel of the Kingdom that was revealed in Jesus during the 4 Gospels, with different rules for how one can be saved.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Acts 2
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
These words present difficulty to believers who don't believe that with the salvation of Paul, there was a change in dispensation.
They can only ignore these verses and claimed that it was actually the DBR of Jesus that saved, but they forgot, ironically, that this "secret/mystery" was revealed only to the Apostle Paul and not to the 12.
You cannot have it both ways, either you believe that the Gospel of Grace only came thru the Apostle Paul, or you stick to the Gospel of the Kingdom that was revealed in Jesus during the 4 Gospels, with different rules for how one can be saved.
In the KJV, Mark 16 doesn’t teach baptismal regeneration here my friend. It is the preaching of the Gospel that saves. The baptism here mention is the result of belief in Christ and his gospel. You have to note that this is already a post resurrection, the Cross has already been served by Christ and it is the same message Paul carries own to preach the message of the cross. Btw, the conjunction “and” is used to mean “before”, introducing a consequence, actual or predictive, hence the word “baptized” is dropped in the second clause. The underlined part seems not to favor what you are inferring. Am I saved if I believed the preaching of the gospel? The Bible says YES! If I don’t believe the Gospel, Mark says I am damned. What if I am baptized(wet) am I saved? NO! But if I believed (saved) and as a result I am baptized, do I still been saved? Jesus says, I AM! The baptism(wet) here mention is actually the fruit of belief in Christ and his Gospel.
In Acts 2:28, this present no baptismal regeneration here as you supposed. Your case system does not in any way harmonizes the whole counsel of God. Your division seems imperfect.
And the Bible says, Gospel kingdom and Grace gospel was preached by Christ and Paul...
In Acts 2:28, this present no baptismal regeneration here as you supposed. Your case system does not in any way harmonizes the whole counsel of God. Your division seems imperfect.
And the Bible says, Gospel kingdom and Grace gospel was preached by Christ and Paul...
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The truth is Jesus preached the Gospel of grace, because, grace begins with Christ and not Paul. Paul and the other apostles are only continuing what Christ preached during his earthly ministry. The scripture of truth says of Paul’s doctrine in the later of Acts say soemthing about preaching the kingdom of God.
Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The truth is Jesus preached the Gospel of grace, because, grace begins with Christ and not Paul. Paul and the other apostles are only continuing what Christ preached during his earthly ministry. The scripture of truth says of Paul’s doctrine in the later of Acts say soemthing about preaching the kingdom of God.
Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
This is so profound, I often wonder how anyone thinks fruit, change of attitude, life, approach,
will not demonstrate themselves straight away. It is like saying a butterfly cannot fly, because
it is hidden but will show itself later. The caterpillar is really a butterfly in slow development.
As if this could ever be true.
will not demonstrate themselves straight away. It is like saying a butterfly cannot fly, because
it is hidden but will show itself later. The caterpillar is really a butterfly in slow development.
As if this could ever be true.
You will find that term generally in the Gospels. But there is no difference, since Paul was also preaching "the kingdom of God", and Jesus said that except a man be born again he can neither see nor enter the Kingdom of God. Everything pertaining to the Christian and the Church is within the Kingdom of God. So is the Gospel.
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. (Acts 28:30,31)
And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. (Acts 28:30,31)
I'm not really wanting to contribute anything to the overall thread here, but this caught my eye and it made me wonder (in view of what you have written here) what you believe about the following verse:
"Now He said this concerning the Spirit, whom those having believed in Him were about to [or, were certain to] receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:39
Do you mean the risen and glorified Christ? (or before?)
"Now He said this concerning the Spirit, whom those having believed in Him were about to [or, were certain to] receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:39
Do you mean the risen and glorified Christ? (or before?)
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Not addressed to me but as per usual I will still answer, whatcha gonna do about it? 
Nothing will happen to him. HOWEVER: If you have a professing Christian who refuses to get baptized, you can question his conversion, unless there is a good reason for him avoiding water baptism.
I have always said: This is the SELF INFLICTED wound of Christianity, we keep post-poning baptism and we keep debating it instead of just doing it the Bible way, the SECOND someone confesses Jesus as Lord and puts his faith in Jesus, DUNK EM.
Problem solved, debate ended.
Nothing will happen to him. HOWEVER: If you have a professing Christian who refuses to get baptized, you can question his conversion, unless there is a good reason for him avoiding water baptism.
I have always said: This is the SELF INFLICTED wound of Christianity, we keep post-poning baptism and we keep debating it instead of just doing it the Bible way, the SECOND someone confesses Jesus as Lord and puts his faith in Jesus, DUNK EM.
Problem solved, debate ended.
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