Speaking in Tongues: Its Origins [Ancient and Modern], Purpose, and Power
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This is how we know the Gifts vary. They all require faith, to begin with. But when there is a stark difference like touching someone in healing, compared to just beginning to speak in a language that no one else understands. There has to be common sense present to understand when Speaking in Tongues is appropriate vs just touching someone to heal them.
Paul taught his churches these differences. If Paul is an example, then churches that speak in Tongues should be taught when the appropriate situations are for Speaking in Tongues. That s the responsibility of the Pastor of that church. He/She after all, is the shepherd!!
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Then you maby should distinguish between bible study, which is of course important that it is teached from God guided gifteted man of God.
And gifts which are given to certain people for a special purpose which not nessasarry can be explained throug others. For example many missionarys would not went to mission in the 19th century if they had listend to their Pastors which were against mission, ore dident recognice the call of the missionary.
And gifts which are given to certain people for a special purpose which not nessasarry can be explained throug others. For example many missionarys would not went to mission in the 19th century if they had listend to their Pastors which were against mission, ore dident recognice the call of the missionary.
Another example in scripture that confirms belief and receiving the Holy Ghost are separate experiences is the record of the Samaritans receiving salvation. Notice verse 12 states those present believed Philip's message concerning the kingdom of God and were water baptized. Verses 14-17 state that Peter and John were then sent to enable them to receive the holy Ghost through the laying of hands:
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
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or, you could possibly refrain from saying teaching is not necessary regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit or attempting to redirect what a post is actually about
the post was about you saying teaching is not necessary
you don't have to accept any gifts whatsoever
I have no idea why you mention missionaries. had nothing to do with the post or the response
it was about you saying that teaching is not needed concerning a gift from the Holy Spirit and since Paul devotes so much to teaching about these same gifts, I will definitely take his word for it
The following comment was posted to a different member but clearly addresses the error that believing prompts the automatic infilling of the Holy Ghost:
Another example in scripture that confirms belief and receiving the Holy Ghost are separate experiences is the record of the Samaritans receiving salvation. Notice verse 12 states those present believed Philip's message concerning the kingdom of God and were water baptized. Verses 14-17 state that Peter and John were then sent to enable them to receive the holy Ghost through the laying of hands:
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
Another example in scripture that confirms belief and receiving the Holy Ghost are separate experiences is the record of the Samaritans receiving salvation. Notice verse 12 states those present believed Philip's message concerning the kingdom of God and were water baptized. Verses 14-17 state that Peter and John were then sent to enable them to receive the holy Ghost through the laying of hands:
"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost." Acts 8:12-17
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Ok, here are some verses in a complete passage of scripture, that are CLEAR, that when these people received the Holy Spirit (this means they are now in the Spirit), they spoke in Tongues and there is no INTERPRETATION, because those around DID NOT UNDERSTAND what they were speaking.
(1) this passage proves speaking in Tongues in the Holy Spirit
(2) proves NO ONE around understood but knew it was Tongues
(3) there is NO INTERPRETATION because this is the UNKNOWN SPOKEN TONGUES that ONLY God can understand.
(4) This ultimately then PROVES what Paul claimed about the Unknown Tongues being a mystery spoken in the Spirit that no man understands, only God understands!!
God brought to my attention something that I will add:
Acts 10:
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
I was asked how can Tongues happen and there be no interpretation?
Here is the perfect example: ^
Tongues is spoken and NO INTERPRETATION because it's obvious this is known as the UNKNOWN TONGUE, Paul speaks that ONLY GOD understands!!
Everything I have been saying the entire time concerning Tongues, that many of you have come against me about, is ALL proven in this passage of scripture!!
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Both translation of the Greek specifies that Paul meant, men (humans like You and myself) can't understand what is being said, only God can. So basically, the Tongues Paul is speaking of here, is not another human language. It's a language unknown to all humans. It's a language only God knows!!
When you quoted my post, you quoted the scripture where it is found.
" 2 For he who is speaking in a unknown language is not speaking to men, but to God, for no one is hearing, yet in spirit he is speaking secrets."
Oh really where is this is scripture
" 2 For he who is speaking in a unknown language is not speaking to men, but to God, for no one is hearing, yet in spirit he is speaking secrets."
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Not sure why you are off on this tangent. Paul spoke of things pertaining to God, specifically the Holy Spirit in this passage.
Paul speaking about human languages DOES NOTHING for God!!
And we also know, Paul (WHO CLAIMED HE WAS BEING PERSONALLY INSTRUCTED BY YESHUA IN WHAT HE WROTE AND TAUGHT) would not be INSTRUCTED BY YESHUA to speak about silly human languages.
God, if we want to get technical here, would not be mean to the people of Corinth over stupid human languages. It's rather obvious, Paul is speaking about the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Tongues).
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The verse specifies this type of Tongues IS NOT FOR MEN!!
This means that no man, no human language can understand this type of Language. It does not get any clearer than that!!
λαλῶν = lalōn speaking = SPEAKING
γλώσσῃ = glōssē in a tongue = IN A TONGUE
οὐκ = ouk not = NOT
ἀνθρώποις = anthrōpois to men = TO MEN
ἀλλὰ = alla but = BUT
Θεῷ· = Theō to God = TO GOD
γὰρ = gar for = FOR
οὐδεὶς = oudeis no one = NO ONE
ἀκούει = akouei can hear it = CAN HEAR IT
ἀλλὰ = alla but = BUT
Θεῷ· = Theō God = GOD
SPEAKING IN A TONGUE NOT TO MEN, BUT TO GOD, FOR NO ONE CAN HEAR IT, BUT GOD!!
Clearly, this is not a human language of any sort, if NO MAN CAN HEAR IT, but ONLY GOD CAN HEAR IT!!
It's therefore IMPOSSIBLE that Paul is speaking of a human language.
Humans can even understand Braille, but they CANNOT understand the language Paul is speaking about!!
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You think "hearing" makes a difference....LOL
If someone is "speaking" and no one is "hearing" it is because they are not understanding, because it is a language (not unintelligible speech) that the congregation does not know, a foreign language
LOL.... I can read Braille but I cannot understand Chinese
The problem tongue(s)/languages were not known or understood by most of the Corinthian congregation (14:2,14,16).
The problem tongue/language when interpreted was interpreted into the Greek Language (common knowledge).
The problem tongue/language (even when not interpreted into Greek) built up the tongue/language-speaker (14:4,16-17).
If someone is "speaking" and no one is "hearing" it is because they are not understanding, because it is a language (not unintelligible speech) that the congregation does not know, a foreign language
LOL.... I can read Braille but I cannot understand Chinese
The problem tongue(s)/languages were not known or understood by most of the Corinthian congregation (14:2,14,16).
The problem tongue/language when interpreted was interpreted into the Greek Language (common knowledge).
The problem tongue/language (even when not interpreted into Greek) built up the tongue/language-speaker (14:4,16-17).