Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit
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Mark 3:28-30 KJV
[28] Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: [29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: [30] Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
It’s obvious that blasphemer against the Holy Ghost is to SAY Jesus Christ did HIS works by the power of Beezelbub, or an unclean spirit. Neither passage you quoted ever says that I can’t say other folks are doing “lying signs and wonders” by the deception of Satan rather than by the power of God.
Please give me a single scripture reference stating that I (or you) can commit the “unpardonable sin” because we are born again and have eternal life. If I could now stand in unforgiveness then Jesus Christ would be a liar! He says,
Hebrews 10:17 KJV
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 8:12 KJV
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
And further “in Christ” it’s impossible for me to sin! In the flesh all we do is sin for it’s impossible to please God in the flesh. Without faith it’s impossible to please God!
Scripture on scripture on scripture on scripture on scripture is how we study!
And we MUST “rightly divid(ing) the word of God” - 2 Timothy 2:15
This is also how we “shew thyself approved unto God” is by STUDYING the scriptures with proper divisions.
1 Corinthians 10:32 KJV
[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
The scriptures are also directed towards either (or to one or more group) “the Jews, ... the Gentiles, ... the church of God”. Three classes of people.
Sometimes “the holy scriptures” aren’t written directly to “the church of God” but rather to “the Jews” or “the Gentiles”. All things are written for our learning but we can’t claim Israel’s promises either and apply them to the church.
Romans 15:4 KJV
[4] For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Notice that these things were written aforetime to admonish and teach us through “the scriptures”. The scriptures are where our hope and patience is strengthened!
[28] Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: [29] But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: [30] Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.
It’s obvious that blasphemer against the Holy Ghost is to SAY Jesus Christ did HIS works by the power of Beezelbub, or an unclean spirit. Neither passage you quoted ever says that I can’t say other folks are doing “lying signs and wonders” by the deception of Satan rather than by the power of God.
Please give me a single scripture reference stating that I (or you) can commit the “unpardonable sin” because we are born again and have eternal life. If I could now stand in unforgiveness then Jesus Christ would be a liar! He says,
Hebrews 10:17 KJV
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 8:12 KJV
[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
And further “in Christ” it’s impossible for me to sin! In the flesh all we do is sin for it’s impossible to please God in the flesh. Without faith it’s impossible to please God!
Scripture on scripture on scripture on scripture on scripture is how we study!
And we MUST “rightly divid(ing) the word of God” - 2 Timothy 2:15
This is also how we “shew thyself approved unto God” is by STUDYING the scriptures with proper divisions.
1 Corinthians 10:32 KJV
[32] Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
The scriptures are also directed towards either (or to one or more group) “the Jews, ... the Gentiles, ... the church of God”. Three classes of people.
Sometimes “the holy scriptures” aren’t written directly to “the church of God” but rather to “the Jews” or “the Gentiles”. All things are written for our learning but we can’t claim Israel’s promises either and apply them to the church.
Romans 15:4 KJV
[4] For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Notice that these things were written aforetime to admonish and teach us through “the scriptures”. The scriptures are where our hope and patience is strengthened!
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Good luck migo........Many here say salvation can be lost like a coin in the park even though every promise of Christ, verb tense, a plethora of scriptures, power of Christ, the verbiage of the bible etc. must fail, be tossed out the window and or flat rejected to hold to a losable salvation....................
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I can not agree with this at all
If you need a miracle to believe? Who seeks after miracles? Or sign? Scripture is clear on that
And paul does not say this at all. Proven by the fact he said he would rather speak 5 words in a known tongue
He said it was unfruitful for a reason. It is, Because it can not edify you at all. A prayer that you know the words, and see the response and have no doubt that it happened as prayed is far more edifying not only to self (personal prayer) But the church as the whole (corporate prayer) which was pauls point.
If you need a miracle to believe? Who seeks after miracles? Or sign? Scripture is clear on that
And paul does not say this at all. Proven by the fact he said he would rather speak 5 words in a known tongue
He said it was unfruitful for a reason. It is, Because it can not edify you at all. A prayer that you know the words, and see the response and have no doubt that it happened as prayed is far more edifying not only to self (personal prayer) But the church as the whole (corporate prayer) which was pauls point.
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I never thought therwise really, It is sad though, We should seek out what the otheer says, Not go out of our way to AUTOMATICALLY say we will disagree, and then go out of my way to prove him wrong.
You have to take the WHOLE passage in context. What paul says later shows what he thinks about this/ It is well known that people were speaking in unknown tongues that were not from God. That is the whole reason paul made this passage to begin with, in an order to attempt to correct the corinthian church.
One again, Paul said later, it is his conclusion that he will speak with knowledge, sing with knowledge otherwise what is spoken is unfruitful
Once again, Is it more fruitful for god to speak in YOUR language, you hear, You also see the result of that prayer in a miracle or some other means that answers that prayer. Or that God tells you in the prayer hs is going to bring someone or something to you and when you see him, Do this.. is there really something wrong with this? It seems by some this is an insult. How is that an insult?
While your right, God can do whatever he wants, no argument here, But God is also going to do things which edify and strengthens us, Not things which cause us to question.
I believe people start to do something they are taught and end up doing it so much and so long that they think it does something it really does not do.. Like the eucharist for example.. The blood and body???? Yet try to explain john 6 to a catholic. You can;t because they have had that belief engrained in them for so long, no one is going to change their mind, and to even say you disagree causes ones defenses to go up and they will never hear anything the other person says, EVEN if what they are telling them is the truth
Sadly. I think all of us have parts of our beliefs which we do this. And I know I had alot I had to break free from. Because God kept working through people to get me to see how wrong my belief was. All I had t do was open my eyes
1 cor 14: 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.
In conclusion, Paul can not contradict himself. He can not say in one place this is true, then later contradict himself by saying something which apposes what he said to begin with.
You have to take the WHOLE passage in context. What paul says later shows what he thinks about this/ It is well known that people were speaking in unknown tongues that were not from God. That is the whole reason paul made this passage to begin with, in an order to attempt to correct the corinthian church.
One again, Paul said later, it is his conclusion that he will speak with knowledge, sing with knowledge otherwise what is spoken is unfruitful
Once again, Is it more fruitful for god to speak in YOUR language, you hear, You also see the result of that prayer in a miracle or some other means that answers that prayer. Or that God tells you in the prayer hs is going to bring someone or something to you and when you see him, Do this.. is there really something wrong with this? It seems by some this is an insult. How is that an insult?
While your right, God can do whatever he wants, no argument here, But God is also going to do things which edify and strengthens us, Not things which cause us to question.
I believe people start to do something they are taught and end up doing it so much and so long that they think it does something it really does not do.. Like the eucharist for example.. The blood and body???? Yet try to explain john 6 to a catholic. You can;t because they have had that belief engrained in them for so long, no one is going to change their mind, and to even say you disagree causes ones defenses to go up and they will never hear anything the other person says, EVEN if what they are telling them is the truth
Sadly. I think all of us have parts of our beliefs which we do this. And I know I had alot I had to break free from. Because God kept working through people to get me to see how wrong my belief was. All I had t do was open my eyes
1 cor 14: 13 Therefore let him who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is the conclusion then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding.
In conclusion, Paul can not contradict himself. He can not say in one place this is true, then later contradict himself by saying something which apposes what he said to begin with.
Post 79036-Argueless- Are Ananias and Saphira saved or unsaved? Does scriptures say that no one will wander or turn away from the FAITH? If anyone wander or turn away from the FAITH which you CLAIM can ALONE save and DENY God, would that person still be saved?
Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....
Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)
97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...
The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit.
https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date
Post 79,037-DC reply- What Jesus do you follow....not the one of the bible...Because the one of the bible starts, finishes and completes the work of faith in those that believe and then if they do not abide faithful he remains faithful to his promise to start, finish and complete the work....
Post 97,292- Argueless Go and know for yourself what dcon's stance is re: LYING TO THE HOLY SPIRIT... (in other words REGARDING the Holy Spirit, referring to post 79'037)
97,293 Dcon-Post 97,293- I have reported this post for accusing me of LYING to the Holy SPIRIT......which I have NOT done...
The last post was a misrepresentation of Argueless. Argueless NEVER said DC was lying to the Spirit. He was speaking of his stance on the Holy Spirit.
https://christianchat.com/search/126331/?q=lying+to+the+spirit&c[users]=argueless&o=date
IMO, I do not believe saying a Christian can blaspheme the Holy Spirit is consistent with OSAS. Because Jesus said whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not have forgiveness. But OSAS says there is nothing you can do that you will not be forgiven for. Therefore, the only consistent OSAS argument is that the christian will be kept from committing the unpardonable sin.
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I stay out of the thread you referenced
with a few exceptions, I consider it the 'home base' for those who are against the gifts and mock anyone who believes OSAS is not the default position of all who call themselves believers
actually, I had a dream about it and saw a spirit at work there that is not the Holy Spirit
I have not gone back since
this is not to say that you or others should not take a stand and respond to the insults and invitations to argue, but for me, it was not a good place
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I promised them I wouldn't go back because they practice too many false accusations and when asked for documentation to support their accusations, they ignore you. And then they get mad when someone does the same thing.
I believe in the Perserverance of the saints, which means a Christian will perservere because God preserves them. but one of them said "A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PERSERVERE"
and others defended the statement
'a Christian does not perservere?" So none of us hold fast our confidence until the end, By the Grace of God, of course"?
I posted several scriptures about perserverance, but it did no good.
I believe in the Perserverance of the saints, which means a Christian will perservere because God preserves them. but one of them said "A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT PERSERVERE"
and others defended the statement'a Christian does not perservere?" So none of us hold fast our confidence until the end, By the Grace of God, of course"?
I posted several scriptures about perserverance, but it did no good.
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It's always been my assertion that if you don't believe a scripture is for you, tear that page out. Then at the end of a year go back and look at how much of God's word one has dismissed as irrelevant. The MRV does that for you
Interestingly a lot did not deny this is exactly what they are doing.
And I was told I am a legalist unless I do the same.
If God intended this, guess which bible He would have created.
I do wonder how people think a book of law dictated by God straight to Moses,
can be dismissed as if it is nothing and evil, while living lawlessly is Gods way.
Being lawless is only associated with the enemies of God, anti-Christ, pure and simple.
Now arguing we follow the law of Christ or the law of the Spirit which is the fulfilment
of all that went before is literally Gods way, so everything that went before is valuable for
teaching and example, to which I say praise the Lord, and Amen.
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