We are not saved or lost by how many sins we commit or don't commit. We are saved or lost by grace through faith alone. But the fruit reveals whether our conversion is genuine and if our faith is real.
Not By Works
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We are not saved or lost by how many sins we commit or don't commit. We are saved or lost by grace through faith alone. But the fruit reveals whether our conversion is genuine and if our faith is real.
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No such thing as "ticket punch salvation", or "easy believism" that is just a straw man, we are talking about biblical salvation.
What is repentance?
And it sure didn't take him long to trot out the old "if you don't act a certain way, you might not be saved" nonsense.
Again, a person is not saved or lost by how many sins they commit. They are saved or lost based on faith or unbelief.
This is really elementary stuff, Bud.
How much fruit? How many good deeds "prove" salvation? If I gave one dollar to the Salvation Army one year, and the next year I gave two, and the following year three, is that enough proof?
People like you can never give specifics only generalizations. But it is all about specifics.
People who say belief is all that is needed to be saved is easy believism. Your belief does not save you. Salvation is a work of GOD.
What is repentance? It is a change of heart and mind that is wrought in a person by the Spirit of God.
Again, man is not saved by HOW MANY good works or how much fruit. A man is saved by Grace through Faith alone. And it is Jesus that said "you will know them by their fruits" so if you have an issue with what I am saying, take it up with Him.
Anyways, I don't concern myself with examining other people's fruits. That is a mistake that judgemental people make, assuming I do is their mistake. I only examine my own fruit. As it is written, examine yourselves...
I'll find out all I need to know about what you actually believe from the following question:
If a person believed in Jesus for salvation, got saved, yet later in life stopped believing - would they be lost?
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Ye are saved by grace through through faith apart from works and certified via fruit inspection.
Again, what good deeds can a Christian do that an atheist cannot? You realize Mormons do TONS of good works.
Does that prove they're saved?
Again, a person is not saved or lost based on "how many?" questions. A person is saved or lost based on faith vs unbelief. And it was Jesus who said that the deeds reveal the condition of the heart, not me. So take your objections up with Him.
Would a true believer would not do that. 1 John 5:1. A person who has been born of God (perfect tense) believes (present tense)
So, Mormons, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., are saved because of all the good deeds they do?
Uh, it's been your whole defense so far!
False accusation. When have I ever said anything about anyone's fruits in regards to salvation? Post number please, or you are A LIAR.
Your whole argument is fruit is the proof one salvation is genuine. Do you even read what you post?
No. That is not what Jesus meant. BTW, are you questioning Jesus or me? Because everything I have said is straight from either Jesus' mouth or one of His apostles. If you don't believe it, name one thing that you don't think it did, and I will provide scriptural support.