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IF we claim to be without sin, you can call us hypocrites. But I don't think anyone has said that.
What we are saying is that we should not use the fact that no one is without sin to say that's it's inevitable that we will live under sin's dominion. We are to rise up and conquer through the Grace of God, the blood of Jesus, the mediation of Jesus, and the indwelling ministry of the Holy Spirit. God has given us EVERYTHING we need to live in victory. If we live in defeat, it is by our own choosing.
What we are saying is that we should not use the fact that no one is without sin to say that's it's inevitable that we will live under sin's dominion. We are to rise up and conquer through the Grace of God, the blood of Jesus, the mediation of Jesus, and the indwelling ministry of the Holy Spirit. God has given us EVERYTHING we need to live in victory. If we live in defeat, it is by our own choosing.
It's not foolish at all. It's a logical question. If there is a standard we must live up to in order to retain salvation, what is the tipping point?
The problem is you got backed into a corner and are looking for a way out.
You seem to like the "cheating wife" scenario, but even a single lie attributed to us will damn us.
The problem is you got backed into a corner and are looking for a way out.
You seem to like the "cheating wife" scenario, but even a single lie attributed to us will damn us.
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TO make it very simple for you. Your question is based on a faulty premise. We are not saved or lost by how many sins we commit or how many sins we don't commit, or how many good works we do, or how many good works we don't do. We are saved by Grace through faith alone. Yet the fruit we bear shows whether our faith is genuine or not and whether our conversion is genuine or not.
If a person sins and repents, they are born of God by faith, for repentance and faith are gifts of God.
If a person commits sin repeatedly and unrepentively, they are workers of iniquity, and to the workers of iniquity Christ says "I never knew you", for iniquity and lawlessness are not gifts of God, but are works of satan.
If a person sins and repents, they are born of God by faith, for repentance and faith are gifts of God.
If a person commits sin repeatedly and unrepentively, they are workers of iniquity, and to the workers of iniquity Christ says "I never knew you", for iniquity and lawlessness are not gifts of God, but are works of satan.
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I never said that. My position is this...
We are not saved or lost by how many sins we commit or how many sins we don't commit, or how many good works we do, or how many good works we don't do. We are saved by Grace through faith alone. Yet the fruit we bear shows whether our faith is genuine or not and whether our conversion is genuine or not.
He who commits sin (present, active, continuous, progressive tense) has neither seen Him nor known Him.
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 1 John 3:6
How do you interpret this verse, UnderGrace?
We are not saved or lost by how many sins we commit or how many sins we don't commit, or how many good works we do, or how many good works we don't do. We are saved by Grace through faith alone. Yet the fruit we bear shows whether our faith is genuine or not and whether our conversion is genuine or not.
He who commits sin (present, active, continuous, progressive tense) has neither seen Him nor known Him.
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 1 John 3:6
How do you interpret this verse, UnderGrace?
And yet a simple "yes" or "no" escapes you.
Like one who sins daily? Do you?
Are you talking about asking for forgiveness? If so, why would you ask forgiveness for sins already forgiven? Has not all sin been forgiven?
As far as someone proving their faith is "genuine" - what good works can a Christian do that an atheist cannot?
Like one who sins daily? Do you?
Are you talking about asking for forgiveness? If so, why would you ask forgiveness for sins already forgiven? Has not all sin been forgiven?
As far as someone proving their faith is "genuine" - what good works can a Christian do that an atheist cannot?
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See Romans 8:28=30, Ephesians 2:1-10, 1 John 3:1-6, Titus 2:14, etc.
If one's view of salvation does not include repentance, it is a ticket punch salvation. Many exclude repentance from what God accomplishes in salvation. And yes, I believe that repentance from sin is something that is worked in us by God
See Romans 8:28=30, Ephesians 2:1-10, 1 John 3:1-6, Titus 2:14, etc.
If one's view of salvation does not include repentance, it is a ticket punch salvation. Many exclude repentance from what God accomplishes in salvation. And yes, I believe that repentance from sin is something that is worked in us by God