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Depends what you mean by dead?

Dead does not mean non-existent btw...
Another missed truth....LIKE A CORPSE....comparable to..........and I still say, by the demons believing statement, the comparison is made between genuine faith and a mere BELIEF in God....which the JEWS have to this very day..........
 

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He is still here.... aka .......Mr. FHS
your answer is correct yes, "he is still here." and did "Mr. FHS also go by the name, of, "PeterJens", prior to being banned, the answer is still yes, So should he be banned again?, yes he is guilty as charged so let the Moderators decided what his sentence should be.

Mr. FHS, is a modern day Pharisee, he and his counterfeit gospel should be banned forever.
 
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your answer is correct yes, "he is still here." and did "Mr. FHS also go by the name, of, "PeterJens", prior to being banned, the answer is still yes, So should he be banned again?, yes he is guilty as charged so let the Moderators decided what his sentence should be.

Mr. FHS, is a modern day Pharisee, he and his counterfeit gospel should be banned forever.
Never did I know there how prevalent the counterfeit was until these past few years ...I thought it was only Mormons, JWs etc., now I see it is everywhere. :(
 
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Well.....in Kingsford Smith international airport....Qantas lounge....boarding in about 40 min.....bummed gonna miss Stralia...... :( Keep the flames hot while I am out of sorts for 13 hours in the air hahahaha
 
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james is a book with controversy. luther wasnt a fan.

my notes: the book doesnt mention the Holy Spirit even once. there is not much about grace. i dont know when it was written but its adressed to the tribes of israel, it does mention Jesus but i believe its written early on in church history , maybe before st. paul was even called?

do we have any evidence to the timing of when james was written? some bibles have the dates when the books were written in the prefare.
Written to Jews that have the same issue to this very day....a belief IN GOD, but no saving faith......
 
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Never did I know there how prevalent the counterfeit was until these past few years ...I thought it was only Mormons, JWs etc., now I see it is everywhere. :(
Amen.....every religion that adds to faith for or to keep and every religion that believes it can be lost.......exactly why the number is PLENTEOUS that come before the throne and end up getting cast!!!!
 
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Well.....in Kingsford Smith international airport....Qantas lounge....boarding in about 40 min.....bummed gonna miss Stralia...... :( Keep the flames hot while I am out of sorts for 13 hours in the air hahahaha

Long flight...I did it once to Japan, the last few hours are the worst.
 

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Well another person misrepresenting the full meaning "metanoia" build a straw man and knock it down, oldest trick in the book.
Hi UG, when a university professor represents the theology of a position, it is done because
that is the position held. Everyone can have their own perspectives on how things are but
the point about truth is this is it. I showed this video to demonstrate claiming something
is misrepresentation is simply not true. But everyone can ignore this, I just hope those
who truly want to know the truth listen to it. :)
 

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Well you should figure out other peoples positions, it is crucial.
One can never be objective otherwise.
You may come to realise something, there is no true objective position, one has to make
a choice. The choice is follow Jesus and obey Him, listening to Him, you will change and
see what He has declared and why it is the way it is.

Do not follow or obey, then wherever you are will appear to be the right place.
And until He returns to bring judgement and ultimate light, this is how it will stay.
We inherit what we sow, so we must be careful about what we do and what we follow.
 

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Wrong. The whole point of salvation is to save wretched sinners who have no hope of saving themselves. Good works have nothing to do with the debt paid by Christ. In fact, when salvation is the issue, our best works are filthy rags to God.

I've noticed with Judaizers/ Pharisees such as yourself and a few others on this thread, "gift" doesn't actually mean gift, "free" doesn't really mean free, and all" doesn't truly mean all

Your kind has to change the definition of words to make them fit your works-for-salvation scam.
Are you going to give an account to God for all the things you have DONE, SAID or even thought off?

Do you really believe that OSAS followers are exempted from the great day of judgment?

If every man will be judged according to what he has done and yet all his best works especially those done in LOVE which according to 2John 1:6 is to "WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS", were already judged as FILTHY RAGS, does this mean that God is UNJUST? ...NEVER.

...My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. IT IS THE LORD WHO JUDGES ME. Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME, WAIT 'TIL THE LORD COMES. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will EXPOSE THE MOTIVES of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For WHO MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE? What do you have that you DID NOT RECEIVE? And if you did receive it, WHY DO YOU BOAST AS THOUGH YOU DID NOT? ALREADY you have all you want! ALREADY you have become rich! You have BECOME KINGS—and that WITHOUT US How I wish that you REALLY had become kings so that we might be KINGS WITH YOU! 1 Corinthians 4:4-8

...Just as man is DESTINED (appointed) to die once, and after that to FACE JUDGMENT, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and HE WILL APPEAR A SECOND TIME, not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION TO THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM. Hebrews 9:27-28

What is your HOPE? Are you still patiently awaiting a savior from heaven...or you would rather RUN AHEAD without the BODY of Christ that will be presented to Him as a PURE VIRGIN? (Romans 8:18-25, 2 John1:1-11, 2 Corinthians 11:2-4)

...These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that ONLY TOGETHER WITH US WOULD THEY BE MADE PERFECT. Hebrews 11:39-40

...You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:14-26

...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29

...Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERRED and, once made PERFECT, he became THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM Hebrews 5:8-9

Are you SUFFERRING for Christ? Are you learning OBEDIENCE TO GOD from those SUFFERRINGS?

If OBEDIENCE TO GOD is a burden to you, then cast your burdens upon Him and the yoke he will give you is easy and His burden is light..."WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE."

...This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And WE OUGHT TO LAY DOWN OUR LIVES FOR OUR BROTHERS. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be IN HIM? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH. 1 John 3:16-18
 
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so, now we are off grains and back to fruit.

o.k., if you plant grape seeds now, today, you will not have grapes this year, maybe next year, depending on the weather.

if you plant a young vine, you might have grapes this fall.

either way, if you plant today, you will harvest nothing tomorrow...
YOU don't scatter
so, now we are off grains and back to fruit.

o.k., if you plant grape seeds now, today, you will not have grapes this year, maybe next year, depending on the weather.

if you plant a young vine, you might have grapes this fall.

either way, if you plant today, you will harvest nothing tomorrow...
Who would plant grape seeds on a path, thorny ground, or on stony ground?!!!! Do you know how grapes are planted?

Now, apply your method of interpretation to the parable of the wheat and the tares.

a. The period of time, planting the wheat, the appearance of tares and the harvest of the wheat in the parable comprehends the preaching of the Word to the end of the age.

b. It takes wheat and tares months to grow.

c. Therefore, by your method of interpretation, (making a parable walk on all fours) this present age should have ended in the First century.

See, your method of interpretation DOES NOT WORK.

I don't really care that you disagree with me. I just don't appreciate being called names for using sound interpretation. People think I'm obsessed with this, but what I am arguing against is not your silly belief that a Christian has to be mature (which takes YEARS, and what level of maturity?! seeing that maturation is a LIFETIME PROCESS) in order to be able to bear ANY fruit at all. My beef is with your dangerous method of interpretation.
 

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3 righteousness realities
1. Righteous action
2. Righteous heart
3. Righteous faith

Your righteousness must exceed that of the pharisees.
When I was a kid I wondered at what this meant.

It is they knew God, His law and His ways but the tried to be followers
without a repentent heart. It is impossible. So their compromise was hypocrisy.

The modern version is ignore righteous action and a righteous heart, and claim all
we need is righteous faith. This is simply religion, the outward form of following something
while ones life and heart are from it. Ironic when those who follow this claim they are the
true authentic believers who know Jesus, and know how to kick out the hypocrites, which they
mean those who actually follow Jesus and desire a true walk with Him.
 

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Are you going to give an account to God for all the things you have DONE, SAID or even thought off?
In regard to salvation? NOPE.

Do you really believe that OSAS followers are exempted from the great day of judgment?
The Great White Throne Judgment? YEP.

Tell me, how many sins have yet to be paid/atoned for? What part of "shall not (future tense) come into condemnation" (John 5:24) don't you understand?
 
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Oh and by the way, fruit (karpos) in the bible does not only refer to fruit as we call it. Fruit also refers to crops of the field, see parable of the sower.

Fruit is a product of the Spirit. IT does not have to take years or even months for the Spirit to work through you.

You can share your testimony the day you are saved. The Spirit can use that to draw people. That is bearing fruit.

Your transformed life can be used by the Spirit to draw people to Jesus. That is bearing fruit.

You can give an offering to a missionary society that may result in souls being saved. That is bearing fruit.

You can pray for missionaries, your pastor, and other ministers. That makes you a fellow laborer with them. That is bearing fruit.

You can pass out Bible tracts, people may read them and be converted. That is bearing fruit.

There's many ways to bear fruit that don't take years of maturing.

IT takes YEARS to mature. IN fact, maturation is a lifetime process for a Christian. If a person waits until they reach maturation to bear fruit, they will never bear any fruit, because bearing fruit IS PART OF THE MATURATION PROCESS.
 
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In regard to salvation? NOPE.



The Great White Throne Judgment? YEP.

Tell me, how many sins have yet to be paid/atoned for? What part of "shall not (future tense) come into condemnation" (John 5:24) don't you understand?
Full Atonement for sins is a blessed reality for a believer, but should never be used as a license to do what you please.