Sirach: Its Relevance to Jesus' Teaching and Christian Spirituality

[posthuman]

His divine nature did not in itself give Him unique abilities to perform miracles because He had "emptied Himself" of His divine prerogatives to become fully human.

please itemize the qualities of God -- you don't need to list them for me; i just want you to think about them. what are the attributes that make God, God? Hebrews 1:3 says Christ is the exact representation of them.
do we need human observation to verify they are true at any given time t? is God presumed not-God unless proven to be God? if God is, before the creation of the world, before time, before all else - is He still God, since no one observes Him 'being God' ? or does He become God only when He convincingly demonstrates His divinity before a non-divine, sentient observer? only if that observer recognizes, understands and accepts the 'proof'?

please also consider, what are the qualities that make an human, human?
Alexander Pope famously said, 'to err is human' - is this a reflexive statement? is it also true that 'to be human is to err' ?

blessed are the meek​

(Matthew 5:5) ​

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[SIMON55]

please itemize the qualities of God -- you don't need to list them for me; i just want you to think about them. what are the attributes that make God, God? Hebrews 1:3 says Christ is the exact representation of them.
do we need human observation to verify they are true at any given time t? is God presumed not-God unless proven to be God? if God is, before the creation of the world, before time, before all else - is He still God, since no one observes Him 'being God' ? or does He become God only when He convincingly demonstrates His divinity before a non-divine, sentient observer? only if that observer recognizes, understands and accepts the 'proof'?

please also consider, what are the qualities that make an human, human?
Alexander Pope famously said, 'to err is human' - is this a reflexive statement? is it also true that 'to be human is to err' ?

blessed are the meek​

(Matthew 5:5) ​

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" Most definitely blessed are the meek for they shall inherit both the forest and the trees without the dilemma of whether the falling ones make any sound "

PaPa SIMON55 March 27 2019
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[garee]

are you saying then, according to your interpretation, Jesus is not good?

is Jesus good?

No its how the word good is used. Remember I and the father are one.(as good) Jehovah or Jesus is savior.

God is not man as us. Only God not seen is accredited as good. As eternal Spirit he put on or clothed himself with corrupted flesh .Of that flesh he informs us it "cannot profit" as if it was a unseen spiritual work of God hid from the eyes of men

The one time promised demonstration required corrupted flesh . This is to show only God not seen is good. Jesus refused all forms of worship outwardly .And when he left (2 Corinthians 5:16) he left clear instruction that even those some faithless ones did know him after the flesh, from the moment he disappeared out of sight we know him no more in that way.

God is not a man as us and neither is the there a fleshly mediator called a Daysman to umpire infallibly between the things seen the temporal and that seen by faith, eternal

Matthew 19:17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.Job 9:32-33

 

[posthuman]

Jesus refused all forms of worship outwardly .

Matthew 2, the magi worshipped Him as an infant

Matthew 14, the disciples worshipped Him as an adult.

they were not rebuked.

 

[posthuman]

he put on or clothed himself with corrupted flesh

Psalms 16:10
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:23-27
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

1 Peter 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth


A Lamb with corrupted flesh is not an acceptable sacrifice. He is without blemish, born of a virgin, and neither decayed nor was ever any sin found in Him.

 

[garee]

Psalms 16:10
For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:23-27
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved: Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

1 Peter 2:22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth


A Lamb with corrupted flesh is not an acceptable sacrifice. He is without blemish, born of a virgin, and neither decayed nor was ever any sin found in Him.

Its one of those mysteries that does surpass all human understanding but he does shed light of his glory here and there giving us glimpses..

I did not mean God is a sinner. Corrupted flesh, typified as sinful was necessary for that one time promised demonstration. A theophany or vision (no DNA) would of not worked God is not a man as us. The fact that Jesus aged shows decay.

Those like Catholics who must walk by sight after the natural course of this world use flesh and blood to lord it over the non venerable pew ones. Jesus said his flesh profits for nothing as a demonstration.

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Christ took away the power of sin in the flesh. He did not purify it and make it incorruptible. That's in regard to our living hope as a eternal incorruptible hope it surpasses all human hope ..

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

I believe a distinction must be made. The father of lies like many doctrines would have men believe it is all one thing. The things seen and that not seen the eternal as if the kingdom came by observation. This manner of walking by sight is in order for the spirit of lies to make the faith that comes from hearing the word of God, without effect..

No such thing as the Son of man with power according to "flesh of holiness" flesh represents sin it is not the source, ultimately we do not wrestles against flesh and blood. The temporal things seen. It as it is written is the power that makes him flee.

In that way it would seem that according to the flesh he was declared the Son of man (capitol S Son) as that which could not profit. but accorring to the eternal Spirit he is called eternal Son of God with power ,No power after the flesh.