What Do Men REALLY Mean When They Say, "God Made Men Visual"?
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1: I have to agree with Hamarr. This thread seems somewhat more loaded than normal seoulsearch threads. (Sorry Kim!)
2: If that guy is visual so he wants an EXCEPTIONALLY beautiful wife, that raises lots of questions. "What comprises and defines physical beauty" alone would be a whole book of questions, but to those we have to add "Why are some women exceptionally beautiful and what makes them more beautiful than others?" "Why do you need one that is exceptional instead of run-of-the-mill beautiful?" "Did God make your brain exceptionally visual-based?" and "Is there a scale of men's brains' visual-basis? Are some men more visual-based than others? How do we measure this and determine where different men fit on this scale?"
3: Do old men with old wives have brains that have changed over time? I know a lot of men who are getting on up there in years and seem content with their wives. Then again I know some men who trade their wives in for a newer model. Are some men's brains stuck in teenager mode while others have shifted into gear and aged along with the rest of the body?
4: Shoot we could make a whole new scientific field around that "Is there a scale of men's brains' visual basis?" question.
5: I kinda resent the whole premise that men are visually based. One, it implies I'm not a man. I always look at a person's face to see what emotions are reflected on it, not to see how "beautiful" (how does one define that anyway?) the physical features are or how artistically makeup has been applied. Two, it basically says men are automatons driven by hormones and instincts, with no free will or intelligence.
1: I have to agree with Hamarr. This thread seems somewhat more loaded than normal seoulsearch threads. (Sorry Kim!)
2: If that guy is visual so he wants an EXCEPTIONALLY beautiful wife, that raises lots of questions. "What comprises and defines physical beauty" alone would be a whole book of questions, but to those we have to add "Why are some women exceptionally beautiful and what makes them more beautiful than others?" "Why do you need one that is exceptional instead of run-of-the-mill beautiful?" "Did God make your brain exceptionally visual-based?" and "Is there a scale of men's brains' visual-basis? Are some men more visual-based than others? How do we measure this and determine where different men fit on this scale?"
3: Do old men with old wives have brains that have changed over time? I know a lot of men who are getting on up there in years and seem content with their wives. Then again I know some men who trade their wives in for a newer model. Are some men's brains stuck in teenager mode while others have shifted into gear and aged along with the rest of the body?
4: Shoot we could make a whole new scientific field around that "Is there a scale of men's brains' visual basis?" question.
5: I kinda resent the whole premise that men are visually based. One, it implies I'm not a man. I always look at a person's face to see what emotions are reflected on it, not to see how "beautiful" (how does one define that anyway?) the physical features are or how artistically makeup has been applied. Two, it basically says men are automatons driven by hormones and instincts, with no free will or intelligence.
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There is an xkcd comic I would post here, but one of the drawings is... crude. I will instead type a transcript of the comic's text.
"I shouldn't have watched all that porn as a teenager.
It's not that it scarred me. It's just that we had dial-up.
And now I'm stuck with a fetish... for video compression."
(man, to woman, in bed) "Can you try to look... blockier?"
"I shouldn't have watched all that porn as a teenager.
It's not that it scarred me. It's just that we had dial-up.
And now I'm stuck with a fetish... for video compression."
(man, to woman, in bed) "Can you try to look... blockier?"
Hello again soulserch.. Here i am again being fair and even and providing you with a comment.. Now lets see if you foreknew what i was going to post? 
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
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I may have said this before, but the term reminds me of the saying, "men heat up like light bulbs (incandescent!) Women like irons" (laundry irons).
That's what the "visual" means to me.
Men get turned on exceptionally easy, of course that iron will eventually get a lot hotter than that bulb!
That's honestly how we're wired.
Hard for Christian men, because we have to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh. Ladies have their own fleshy problems. Namely the tongue and gossip.
That's what the "visual" means to me.
Men get turned on exceptionally easy, of course that iron will eventually get a lot hotter than that bulb!
That's honestly how we're wired.
Hard for Christian men, because we have to walk in the Spirit not in the flesh. Ladies have their own fleshy problems. Namely the tongue and gossip.
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Hello again soulserch.. Here i am again being fair and even and providing you with a comment.. Now lets see if you foreknew what i was going to post?
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
Thanks for clearing that up. Yay for women as baby factories! In one fell swoop/post we objectify women AND men!
Obligatory xkcd reference:
Girls are very sexy Von Neumann machines.
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I usually agree with your posts, but I think this mentality just encourages men to conduct themselves like boys. I was a heathen for most of my life, and I was chief among sinners, but if I can walk around without constantly ogling women and thinking I'm a slave to lust-then so can any man.
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Hello again soulserch.. Here i am again being fair and even and providing you with a comment.. Now lets see if you foreknew what i was going to post?
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
When a Man is looking to find the Mother of his future children .. Two things rate above all other things..
1) Firtility
2) Character
Fertility:: If a man who wants to be a dad looks at a woman and he assesses her to be fertile then she has passed the Big first test and in reality this test a woman who passes it does not have to put any effort into it.. She is either fertile in the mans opinion or she has questionable fertility in the mans opinion or she is infertile in the mans opinion.. If a man is focused on becoming a dad and having kids the infertile woman will not factor into His calculations no matter how glowing her character is or her intellect or her wealth or any other factor she may rate highly in.. Now this leads into the belief that men are visual.. And Yes they are visual when it comes to selecting a Mother for their children.. Now the following is an extremely important point that woman need to take onboard and understand::
All the physical factors that make a woman physically desirable to a man are the exact same factors that indicate to a man that a woman is fertile....... Now let that sink into your brains ladies....
So we see that most woman have high fertility when? 18 - 30 years old.. If they have kept themselves in good condition and have been mindful about healthy eating and exercise they can push that age out to 35 but then they enter into the zone of Questionable fertility:: maybe 33 to 42? When they are into their Mid 40's then in most cases they have entered the infirtile zone..
So with this in mind what woman would be more attractive to a man as a prospect as the future mother of his Children ? An 18 year old or a woman in her mid 30's ? A young fertile woman of 18 has over a decade of high fertility to offer a man and then another 10 years of questionable fertility so she has probably over 20 years of good chances to offer a man success in having children.. So not only does a younger woman have high fertility she also has years of fertility in her bank, making her of extremely high value to a man who desires to have kids..
Of course if a man is only looking for someone to share the rest of his life with and is not interested in having kids then the fertility factor can get thrown out of the calculations..
Character:: Does the woman have a supportive, positive, encouraging and loving personality. Is she good with kids.. Does she express her desire to be a mother, to have kids.. Or is she toxic.. If a man is looking for a mother for his Children he will want a woman of good character..
Now apart from the two Big factors above there are other things that factor into a mans calculations.. Now the next factor is no where near as important as the first two but it does seem to be one that most men i have discussed this have rated as important..
Many woman believe that men cannot handle a woman being intelligent.. But i can make the following statement with a high degree of confidence..
Most men do not want a ditzy woman as the Mother of their children.. A woman who has some smarts about her will be far more desirable then a woman who is lacking in mental ability.. Having a smart woman as a life partner is a blessing to any man and to his children..
So there you have it soulsearch the 2 biggies and the distant third placer.. For men who want to have a family with kids..
As i said in my post if a man does not want kids then things can be totally different and you can throw out fertility.. Character / personality can then become no 1 in their list of importance..
Ah yes, Sir Adstar -- I was expecting this answer, and you indeed get a gold star for following through.
Maybe what it really means is that you and I have been here too long. I'm sure a good number of people here could predict my answers, too.I know that your answer is founded on the basis of men looking for women to have their children, thereby making good looks, health, and physical fitness important commodities, but I can assure you that part of the inspiration (and obvious disillusionment) for this thread has been the many, many times I've been approached by much, much older men (starting when I was about 14--at least that's the first time I can remember an older man making a comment to me.)
I'm pretty sure he wasn't looking for a mother to have his children (as if that would have made it any less creepy, but I digress.)
Likewise, when I was in my 30's, I was on two popular Christian dating sites for several years. One used to have chat rooms divided by decades of age (20's, 30's... 70's... etc.), even though people could move freely across the rooms regardless of age.
Without fail, you would regularly find men in their 50's, 60's, and up hanging out in the 20's and 30's room, and perhaps I'm wrongly judging here but I'm pretty sure their main focus was virility, not fertility.
In fact, I would wager that they would have been upset if the young women pursued would have become pregnant, because they were already talking about how expensive it was to pay for the ex-wives and children they already had.
And, not that it doesn't go both ways. I clearly remember one woman who was almost 50 (I think I was 35 at the time) who used to say that if she could just kick out all the younger women in the room, she's have a chance with the 30-something males she would try to talk to.
(Not that love can't work across age ranges, of course. But I'm pretty sure most people who have reached 50 or older aren't thinking about reproduction when they go after those who are 20 and 30 years younger than they are.)
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To try and be more clear, sir, I believe that we(men)don't have to walk around thinking we're going to get easily aroused all the time. I believe what we think and believe about our physical needs will become our reality. When I was a young man, I don't doubt that testosterone could overpower my brain. When I became a Christian, and as I got older, I realized God gave me the power to overpower my body with my mind. Kinda like what Paul wrote in Philippians 4. I don't know if this clarifies things for you, but I hope so.
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Thank you very much, but I honestly don't see myself as being very strong.
I'm more like the Israelites who continuously marched around and wandered aimlessly instead of following God into the Promised Land. Because of their own pride and stubbornness, it took them 40 years to make what would have been an estimated 11-day trip.
My own life choices have been a lot like that. I don't know if I could get to where God wants me to be in 11 days, but I do know that I've spent lots of wasted years going around and around the same mountain until I was fed up to say, "Not again!!!"
Just like the Israelites, it's taken me over 40 years to finally learn that lesson.
Maybe in some ways, God is telling me I'm just in time.[/QUOTE
Wow! humble AND strong! If you know how to skin hides, you could be a proverbs 31 woman in NDN country!
I'm more like the Israelites who continuously marched around and wandered aimlessly instead of following God into the Promised Land. Because of their own pride and stubbornness, it took them 40 years to make what would have been an estimated 11-day trip.
My own life choices have been a lot like that. I don't know if I could get to where God wants me to be in 11 days, but I do know that I've spent lots of wasted years going around and around the same mountain until I was fed up to say, "Not again!!!"
Just like the Israelites, it's taken me over 40 years to finally learn that lesson.
Maybe in some ways, God is telling me I'm just in time.
[/QUOTEWow! humble AND strong! If you know how to skin hides, you could be a proverbs 31 woman in NDN country!
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