Not By Works

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Argueless

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Well, that's a lie.



I think that, because the Bible teaches that.



Lie #2.



Agreed. We obey by believing the gospel. That's all the "if" required. To add anything else implies Jesus did not pay our debt in full.



That wasn't just a "special time". You are once again adding to God's word with your opinion. Show me the scriptures that Jesus only sealed a certain group of people for eternal security.



Then salvation isn't a gift, grace isn't unmerited, and our sin debt was not paid in full. If any of that were true, Jesus would have to come back and shed more blood for the remission of any sins not paid for by His first atonement.



That's your tired old "pay to play" salvation by works, raising it's wicked, evil, demonic head.



Jesus was asked specifically what are the works God requires of us. That's why I always ask you for specifics, but you only deal in generalizations.

Here is the only "condition" - the only "works" required:

"Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” (John 6:28-29)

Notice Jesus said "work" not "works".

You'd better realize something soon. God will not save anybody who is trying to save themselves by their works. If you believe any form of behavior or performance in life has any part in your salvation, God cannot and will not save you. You believe Jesus is necessary, but not enough.

You're essentially claiming that the sin debt was not fully paid by Christ. That by our continued obedience, the sin debt is being paid. Because, according to you, if we don't continue to work, we will lose our salvation. That places the onus on us and not on Jesus.

Cue you giving lip-service to Christ's sacrifice while bragging of your own salvific accomplishments.
...Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” John 6:28-29

The work of God is this...

...“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Man's work is to BELIEVE...and the result is JUSTIFICATION...this is a work of God which is the foundational work of SALVATION according to God's eternal plan and purpose.

...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him,

...IT IS GOD'S WILL THAT YOU SHOULD BE SANCTIFIED: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is HOLY and HONORABLE, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED you. For GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, but to LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, WHO GIVES YOU HIS HOLY SPIRIT.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

...Therefore, THE PROMISE COMES BY FAITH, so that it may be by grace and may be GUARANTEED to all Abraham’s offspring—NOT ONLY to those who are of the law but also to those who are of THE FAITH of Abraham. He is the father of us all. Romans 4:16

...He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that BY FAITH WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT. Galatians 3:14

...And you also were INCLUDED IN CHRIST when you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT, who is a deposit GUARANTEEING our inheritance UNTIL the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:13-14

...By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain... I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, STAND FIRM. Let nothing move you. ALWAYS give yourselves FULLY to the WORK OF THE LORD, because you know that YOUR LABOR IN THE LORD IS NOT IN VAIN. 1 Corinthians 15:2,50-58

Salvation does not STOP in the JUSTIFICATION...

...Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case—things that accompany salvation. God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised. Hebrews 6:9-12

...And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED. Romans 13:11

Therefore, faith without works is DEAD.

...You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE. James 2:22-24

"REMAIN IN HIM AND HE WILL REMAIN IN YOU."

"OBEY IT, AND REPENT."
 

Argueless

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Do you know who the accuser is? Why do you keep accusing me when I speak of obeying Jesus??
If it is OK for them to lie to the Holy Spirit, it's no big deal for them to accuse, slander, insult, mock, name call and "change the grace of God into a LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY".

...But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and "DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT". But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Jude 1:17-21

Notice the bolded above and what James is saying below...

...You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:22,26
 
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If it is OK for them to lie to the Holy Spirit, it's no big deal for them to accuse, slander, insult, mock, name call and "change the grace of God into a LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY".

...But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and "DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT". But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
Jude 1:17-21

Notice the bolded above and what James is saying below...

...You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:22,26
The underlined in your first sentence is a lie SEOCHE........and does nothing but devalue what you have to say even further than it has already fallen...NO honesty, NO integrity, False accusations and straight up lies...........seems to be your modus operandi

FOLKS and any and all that read the above drivel....NO ONE has done any such thing with the grace of GOD.....this is as false as it comes and the poster that stated this constantly uses deception on this site in an attempt to bring down those that believe and teach a salvation based upon grace through faith which relies 100% on Christ, his work, his power.....do not believe the deceptive lies put out by this poster called Argueless
 
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The underlined in your first sentence is a lie SEOCHE........and does nothing but devalue what you have to say even further than it has already fallen...NO honesty, NO integrity, False accusations and straight up lies...........seems to be your modus operandi

FOLKS and any and all that read the above drivel....NO ONE has done any such thing with the grace of GOD.....this is as false as it comes and the poster that stated this constantly uses deception on this site in an attempt to bring down those that believe and teach a salvation based upon grace through faith which relies 100% on Christ, his work, his power.....do not believe the deceptive lies put out by this poster called Argueless
He is still here??lol I forgot all about him.
 

Argueless

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The underlined in your first sentence is a lie SEOCHE........and does nothing but devalue what you have to say even further than it has already fallen...NO honesty, NO integrity, False accusations and straight up lies...........seems to be your modus operandi

FOLKS and any and all that read the above drivel....NO ONE has done any such thing with the grace of GOD.....this is as false as it comes and the poster that stated this constantly uses deception on this site in an attempt to bring down those that believe and teach a salvation based upon grace through faith which relies 100% on Christ, his work, his power.....do not believe the deceptive lies put out by this poster called Argueless
Did you agree to this post below by Budman or not?
Yes, they were saved. The Bible says all who were there were believers. As I've said many times, God does chastise His children, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost.

At the moment of conversion, one is saved forever. Even if they walk away later. They couldn't go to hell if they tried. If salvation is truly a gift, and grace actually unmerited, this has to be so.
 

VCO

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The search for the Spelling on the Mosaic Floor in the chapel unearthed in the Prison near Megiddo.

Here is why I say I can see how the word for GOD, could be a different synonym with a different spelling.
θεῷ - that is translated GOD from an Interlinear New Testament (Greek and English), Jude 1:1.
God


I have Not found the Spelling of JESUS = IYXW yet, but I am searching.
 

YourTruthGod

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You are delusional

You have been proven to lie many times, its been quoted to you. WHAT is wrong with you? im starting to wonder if its something severe?

Did you, or did you not say that OSAS believers have not repented of ONE SIN? YES OR NO? I quoted it to you many times and asked you to apologize

Why are you so prideful and refuse to apologize for running your mouth? I apologize regularly and think nothing of it, so I think I got the humble part down better than you? Oops, is that prideful boasting on my part? I APOLOGIZE.

I can apologize for all the evil I spoke about you. Sure. Im sorry.

See thats not hard. You next. I will probably be dead and/or gone before that day comes
I barely skim what you post, it is full of evil.
 

Budman

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Well, you failed at that one.

keep forgiving others
The same way you show forgiveness here?

Yet you continue to harm people emotionally and spiritually here with your false accusations, scripture twisting, the claim that you no longer sin, and demands that we all "humble" ourselves and listen to you because God gives you "special revelation".

Was, or wasn't, the sin debt paid in full?

To what extent? Once again, you are the master of generalization.
 

YourTruthGod

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Well, you failed at that one.



The same way you show forgiveness here?



Yet you continue to harm people emotionally and spiritually here with your false accusations, scripture twisting, the claim that you no longer sin, and demands that we all "humble" ourselves and listen to you because God gives you "special revelation".



Was, or wasn't, the sin debt paid in full?



To what extent? Once again, you are the master of generalization.
I don't listen to accusers. I started and stopped. If you want me to read your posts then control yourself.
 

YourTruthGod

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These scriptures speak about the CEREMONIAL/PURIFICATION WORKS OF THE LAW. The ceremonial law was things the Jews had to do to make themselves clean just to worship God. They could not go to the temple to worship God if they were not ceremonially clean.

This is the type of works Paul was saying no longer.

The purification/ceremonial works of the law included VARIOUS BATHS, such as for these reasons:

Leviticus 15

Male Bodily Discharges

1The Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron: 2“Speak to the Israelites and tell them, ‘When any man has a discharge from his body, his discharge is unclean. 3Now this is his uncleanness in regard to his discharge – whether his body secretes his discharge or blocks his discharge, he is unclean. All the days that his body has a discharge or his body blocks his discharge, this is his uncleanness.

4“‘Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and any furniture he sits on will be unclean. 5Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 6The one who sits on the furniture the man with a discharge sits on must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 7The one who touches the body of the man with a discharge must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 8If the man with a discharge spits on a person who is ceremonially clean, that person must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 9Any means of riding the man with a discharge rides on will be unclean. 10Anyone who touches anything that was under him will be unclean until evening, and the one who carries those items must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 11Anyone whom the man with the discharge touches without having rinsed his hands in water must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 12A clay vessel which the man with the discharge touches must be broken, and any wooden utensil must be rinsed in water.

Purity Regulations for Male Bodily Discharges

13“‘When the man with the discharge becomes clean from his discharge he is to count off for himself seven days for his purification, and he must wash his clothes, bathe in fresh water, and be clean. 14Then on the eighth day he is to take for himself two turtledoves or two young pigeons, and he is to present himself before the Lord at the entrance of the Meeting Tent and give them to the priest, 15and the priest is to make one of them a sin offering and the other a burnt offering. So the priest is to make atonement for him before the Lord for his discharge.

16“‘When a man has a seminal emission, he must bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until evening, 17and he must wash in water any clothing or leather that has semen on it, and it will be unclean until evening. 18When a man has sexual intercourse with a woman and there is a seminal emission, they must bathe in water and be unclean until evening.

Female Bodily Discharges

19“‘When a woman has a discharge and her discharge is blood from her body, she is to be in her menstruation seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean until evening. 20Anything she lies on during her menstruation will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean.21Anyone who touches her bed must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 22Anyone who touches any furniture she sits on must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 23If there is something on the bed or on the furniture she sits on, when he touches it he will be unclean until evening, 24and if a man actually has sexual intercourse with her so that her menstrual impurity touches him, then he will be unclean seven days and any bed he lies on will be unclean.

25“‘When a woman’s discharge of blood flows many days not at the time of her menstruation, or if it flows beyond the time of her menstruation, all the days of her discharge of impurity will be like the days of her menstruation – she is unclean. 26Any bed she lies on all the days of her discharge will be to her like the bed of her menstruation, any furniture she sits on will be unclean like the impurity of her menstruation, 27and anyone who touches them will be unclean, and he must wash his clothes, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening.

Purity Regulations from Female Bodily Discharges

28“‘If she becomes clean from her discharge, then she is to count off for herself seven days, and afterward she will be clean. 29Then on the eighth day she must take for herself two turtledoves or two young pigeons and she must bring them to the priest at the entrance of the Meeting Tent,30and the priest is to make one a sin offering and the other a burnt offering. So the priest is to make atonement for her before the Lord from her discharge of impurity.

Summary of Purification Regulations for Bodily Discharges

31“‘Thus you are to set the Israelites apart from their impurity so that they do not die in their impurity by defiling my tabernacle which is in their midst. 32This is the law of the one with a discharge: the one who has a seminal emission and becomes unclean by it, 33the one who is sick in her menstruation, the one with a discharge, whether male or female, and a man who has sexual intercourse with an unclean woman.’”
 
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I don't listen to accusers. I started and stopped. If you want me to read your posts then control yourself.
We know...you just listen to an imaginary friend claiming to give a special revelation from God......Did he tell you that you can earn heaven through works???
 
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I barely skim what you post, it is full of evil.
By your doctrine, you probably apply the same "barely skimming aspect" to the study of the word.....seems rather obvious....so....who are you really.....obviously you have been here before......just come clean....be honest for once.....
 

YourTruthGod

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We know...you just listen to an imaginary friend claiming to give a special revelation from God......Did he tell you that you can earn heaven through works???
Maybe you need another frightening revelation?

I was 3.5 and my brother who was in a crib in the same room was 6 months old.....the sitter had just closed to door and the entire room lit up and standing in the window was an entity with long flowing blonde hair, massive deep blue eyes and a thin wispy big smile....was looking down at me smiling...I freaked and pulled covers up over my eyes....and then peeked at it....it rolled it's eyes up to my brother who was across the room while still smiling...it had the same glow described by Moses when he seen the back side of God which was emanating from it and lighting the whole room...it then looked back down at me and smiled again in a non threatening way....I freaked again and pulled the covers back over me....and the room went dark...I sat up and looked out the window...it went about 20 feet and flat dissappeard into thin air....the sand where it had stood glowed in a 10 foot circle and slowly subsided......I was full awake, was no dream and for 6 months after mom would find me sleeping in closets, under the dirty laundry, behind the lounge etc and I had no recollection of any of it......I have my view that is was our guarding angel, but cannot say for sure.........it did happen though
A special revelation of a guardian angel that terrifies children.
 

YourTruthGod

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Can you all believe that? dcontroversal non stop mocks me and slanders in the worst way my revelations from God.

But he has this evil revelation and thinks he is alright?

You said I had an imaginary friend.

The one with the imaginary friend is you.


We know...you just listen to an imaginary friend claiming to give a special revelation from God......Did he tell you that you can earn heaven through works???
Maybe you need another frightening revelation?

I was 3.5 and my brother who was in a crib in the same room was 6 months old.....the sitter had just closed to door and the entire room lit up and standing in the window was an entity with long flowing blonde hair, massive deep blue eyes and a thin wispy big smile....was looking down at me smiling...I freaked and pulled covers up over my eyes....and then peeked at it....it rolled it's eyes up to my brother who was across the room while still smiling...it had the same glow described by Moses when he seen the back side of God which was emanating from it and lighting the whole room...it then looked back down at me and smiled again in a non threatening way....I freaked again and pulled the covers back over me....and the room went dark...I sat up and looked out the window...it went about 20 feet and flat dissappeard into thin air....the sand where it had stood glowed in a 10 foot circle and slowly subsided......I was full awake, was no dream and for 6 months after mom would find me sleeping in closets, under the dirty laundry, behind the lounge etc and I had no recollection of any of it......I have my view that is was our guarding angel, but cannot say for sure.........it did happen though
A special revelation of a guardian angel that terrifies children.