Not By Works

[YourTruthGod]

This sounds like a modern day self-righteous Pharisee, and do you think your "righteous things", can save you? Really? The bible say's there is "no one righteous" and just by chance you think you are "THE ONE" the bible say's "Not Even One."

Calvin teachers didn't teach you right about that. Paul is quoting the old testament scripture about how no one righteous did not sin even once.

You are like the Pharisees who would not obey Jesus and repent of their sins. You guys do what the Pharisees did.

 

[Hevosmies]

That is not a testimony of when I was saved. That is about my studying Calvinism and learning that it is false. You should be more careful about what you think someone says. It's probably how innocent people get banned because of people like yourself.

Im still waiting for your apology about saying OSAS people have not repented of even one sin, false witness.. I apologized, you didnt.
Why is it so hard for you to apologize? I quoted that thing a thousand times.

Oh and also dont ever tell me to be careful, i post exactly what I want to post, and I get ticked off when told to be "careful". its like that charlatan who claims to be a god kenneth something, you critique him and his mindless followers come out the swamps of prosperity and tell you to "be careful, dont blaspheme the Holy Spirit!!!"

For someone who claims to be obedient i have to say, you are making a good effort in not being friendly with people. I tried, but its of no use. I dont know if its pride or what it is, but there is just no respect from your end. Very crafty, very sneaky.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You can't ignore all the scriptures that prove wrong your choice one that you don't understanding.

This is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us is about US IN GENERAL!

That means US IN GENERAL.

God doesn't even love you personally until you love Him.

You were not even born when God made the plan for salvation and then the world.

That is about you having nothing to do with God making the plan for salvation.

You have yet to acknowledge john 4. Why is that?

The bible can not contradict itself.. John 4 says what it says, Anything which contradicts it you better explain why

Of course you can’t All you have done is give a few passages, Twist the meanings of those verses. And say they prove me wrong

Well 1 John 4 proves you wrong. Period. End of story The exact words you used, John refuted by saying the exact opposite. Forgive me if I chose to trust an apostle more than you

 

[FollowHisSteps]

They are "mere" because these acts do not, cannot and will never impart salvation, yet are done for that reason.
By those who state Lord, Lord, but never knew Him
He fulfilled it even better, which you have not quite grasped yet.

Ofcourse our action effect our relationship with Christ which is also related to salvation.
When Paul declares this

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20

Proof of repentance is important.
I am sorry that you suggest you know what I have grasped or not.
I suggest you leave it up to the Lord and me what I grasp or not.

The problem with your approach is it is presumptous rather than showing
perspective and inviting others to see. Jesus always waits for us to hear and see.
His sheep listen and follow, they are not forced or changed so that they understand.

 

[YourTruthGod]

LOLOL. Paul says no such thing. The only circumcision Paul is concerned with is the "heart." Circumcision of the flesh is not a "works". Legalism and works based faiths are empty and have no hope

You need to read carefully.

Philippians 3

No Confidence in the Flesh

1Further, my brothers and sisters, rejoice in the Lord! It is no trouble for me to write the same things to you again, and it is a safeguard for you. 2Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. 3For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4though I myself have reasons for such confidence.

If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more:5circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Go read it again. Paul says he was circumcised 8 days old.

I never denied that

Circumcision was given to Abraham.

As usual. You ignored my whole post. And tried to refute it with one aspect which you did not even get right.

What a joke.

 

[YourTruthGod]

No,

The bible says faith WILL have works. And has instance after instance of where this is shown to be true (hebrews even as a faith hall of fame)

Will and HAVE are two different things, It would benefit you greatly to learn what they are.

No such thing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are speaking against God WHO MADE THE PURIFICATION works of the law.

LOL

It's called PURIFICATION WORKS because it purified.

your babbling man And your lack of scriptural knowledge shows far to often.

Hebrews 9:22
And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission

 

[YourTruthGod]

You have yet to acknowledge john 4. Why is that?

The bible can not contradict itself.. John 4 says what it says, Anything which contradicts it you better explain why

Of course you can’t All you have done is give a few passages, Twist the meanings of those verses. And say they prove me wrong

Well 1 John 4 proves you wrong. Period. End of story The exact words you used, John refuted by saying the exact opposite. Forgive me if I chose to trust an apostle more than you

God did not throw away all His words about obeying Him!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No such thing.

Prove it Prove that a person who has REAL faith will never have a work..

(Ps. A claimed faith is not proof)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God did not throw away all His words about obeying Him!

God did not contradict hinself by saying you want to earn salvation. bey the law and never break it once once to later say, Do these works, and you can save yourself whether you obeyed the law to my standard or not.

 

[YourTruthGod]

your babbling man And your lack of scriptural knowledge shows far to often.

Hebrews 9:22
And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission

If a Gentile was not circumcised in the flesh, then the JEWS KNEW THEY DID NOT DO any of the purification works, including circumcision.

 

[YourTruthGod]

Prove it Prove that a person who has REAL faith will never have a work..

(Ps. A claimed faith is not proof)

Then you are proving me right by saying faith alone is dead.

 

[YourTruthGod]

God did not contradict hinself by saying you want to earn salvation. bey the law and never break it once once to later say, Do these works, and you can save yourself whether you obeyed the law to my standard or not.

Your teachers taught you wrong. God does not say not to obey Him to get saved and that faith alone saves and will result in works if it was real. What a mess.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If a Gentiles was not circumcised in the flesh, then the JEWS KNEW THEY DID NOT DO any of the purification works, including circumcision.

Many gentiles were saved and were never circumcized

Dude, Your hurthing yourself. You need to stop. Anyone who knows and understand the bible will see right through you.

And the day of atonment, the day of purification was done by the sacrifice of bulls and goats.

Your lack of knowledge of the law is and redemption and atonement is astonishing, yet you claim to be preaching Gods truth??

 

[UnderGrace]

You are speaking against God WHO MADE THE PURIFICATION works of the law.

LOL

It's called PURIFICATION WORKS because it purified.

What did it purify

 

[YourTruthGod]

You are truly blind or so it seems. You need to read what Paul says and ask the HS to help you discern.

So sad for you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then you are proving me right by saying faith alone is dead.

There is no such thing as faith alone

A dead faith is not faith.

Faith means assurance, a trust. How can you have faith in someone and NEVER do anything for that person?

You can’t, thats why you are told their faiht was dead (non existant)

We are saved by faith. A person who hs no faith has never been saved. Thats WHY they never do any works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your teachers taught you wrong. God does not say not to obey Him to get saved and that faith alone saves and will result in works if it was real. What a mess.

Your a modern day pharisee. You teach the same gospel they taught, They crucified christ, You would most likely do the same. Because he would tell you you are not only a sinner, but are wrong.

 

[UnderGrace]

Ofcourse our action effect our relationship with Christ which is also related to salvation.
When Paul declares this

I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.
Acts 26:20

Proof of repentance is important.
I am sorry that you suggest you know what I have grasped or not.
I suggest you leave it up to the Lord and me what I grasp or not.

The problem with your approach is it is presumptous rather than showing
perspective and inviting others to see. Jesus always waits for us to hear and see.
His sheep listen and follow, they are not forced or changed so that they understand.

Well you have made many presumptions about me and others on this thread along the way, which informed me that it was okay to presume so I took you up on it.