Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you really going to going to go against the scriptures that say the Jews had to do the works of the law called the purification works to make them purified?

Are you going to go against scripturs that say unless Israel confirmed to obey every ord of the law they were under a curse?

That the only way they could be saved then was by sacrifice of bulls and goats 9even though hebrews said that could never take away sin) and that says Jesus died once, to do what the law never could do. And save people forever?

Again, I am done with you you have a mde up gospel. You are now in my prayer bin.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Lololol
What a joke man.
God bye, I am done responding to your nonsense..

Peace at last, the lastest you must accept what I say no matter what might go silent,
phew, how long did it take...... a few days .... lol

 

[YourTruthGod]

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

That is about God made the plan before we existed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People are nuts if they think they can talk that way and refuse to study the word and get people to see them as scholars or teachers..

if you can;t understand the basics of the law, and the gospel.. You can not teach anything.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Are you going to go against scripturs that say unless Israel confirmed to obey every ord of the law they were under a curse?

That the only way they could be saved then was by sacrifice of bulls and goats 9even though hebrews said that could never take away sin) and that says Jesus died once, to do what the law never could do. And save people forever?

Again, I am done with you you have a mde up gospel. You are now in my prayer bin.

You are now in my prayer bin.

Oh no you will not be prayed for, now is that a gain or a loss.
Is this fellow a righteous man, if not, no effective prayer anyway, lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good night all. If you want to keep responding to these people feel free.. I placed one on ignore. And the other I never read much of what he says anyway..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Same old Peter. Never changed..

How much longer do you have? Your sin always finds you out. It evidently found fran out. How much time do you have left?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

People are nuts if they think they can talk that way and refuse to study the word and get people to see them as scholars or teachers..
if you can;t understand the basics of the law, and the gospel.. You can not teach anything.

Look in the mirror mate. You have not understood the new covenant is the old covenant fullfilled
and forshadowed but not removed by the new. Those who would make God behave differently
are just blind teachers.

 

[Argueless]

Well not sure then, why you have supported the comments made by those who have stated very clearly on this thread that works are necessary for salvation

I will just disregard the rest of what you written since my theology is more orthodox than yours.

Paul was worried that some of them may be deceived just like eve was deceived.

...But I AM AFRAID that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Same old Peter. Never changed..
How much longer do you have? Your sin always finds you out. It evidently found fran out. How much time do you have left?

You take yourself so seriously, whoever you are. I would suggest you think you have the
power to condemn and put people out of the gospel and appoint others inside the gospel.

It is strange because I do neither, I merely share Gods word and how it reads to me.
But if people come out against His clear word, they cannot be His sheep as they are not
listening to Jesus. I do not have to judge anyone, Gods word does it by itself.

God bless you, whoever you are.

 

[UnderGrace]

Are you really going to going to go against the scriptures that say the Jews had to do the works of the law called the purification works to make them purified?

I think it is you going against scripture.

Paul in Rom 3:25-26 indicates uselessness of O.T. animal sacrifices as far as the sin was concerned, "whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were committed, to demonstrate at this present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”

In the past before Christ's sacrificial death God had forgiven the sins of the faithful in abeyance.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Same old Peter. Never changed..
How much longer do you have? Your sin always finds you out. It evidently found fran out. How much time do you have left?

Sin found someone out? What are you talking about?
You think these interactions have some relation to sin, other than showing what is in peoples
hearts and how they share? An educational sand pit, a bible school with free opposition,
very uplifting and something I can only say has been such a blessing, Praise the Lord,
thank you Jesus, there is nowhere else I could have learnt so much or met such an extraordinary
group of very talented people in so many different aspects, strengths and failures.

God bless you

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I think it is you going against scripture.

Paul in Rom 3:25-26 indicates uselessness of O.T. animal sacrifices as far as the sin was concerned, "whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were committed, to demonstrate at this present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”

In the past before Christ's sacrificial death God had forgiven the sins of the faithful in abeyance.

Animal sacrifices in themselves meant nothing they were symbols of Christ and His final sacrifice and
as such worked. So unfortunately UG I think you miss-understood Paul.

The temple worked, which is why it was constructed.

 

[UnderGrace]

Animal sacrifices in themselves meant nothing they were symbols of Christ and His final sacrifice and
as such worked. So unfortunately UG I think you miss-understood Paul.

The temple worked, which is why it was constructed.

How come you arguing against a point that I did not make

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Good night all. If you want to keep responding to these people feel free.. I placed one on ignore. And the other I never read much of what he says anyway..

He never reads what I write, but he always has to respond, odd that, lol hahahahaha

 

[FollowHisSteps]

How come you arguing against a point that I did not make

I am just adding to the subject.
Sorry, does it have to chime with you to be a valid point?
Is there a rule that says, silence unless I give you permission to speak, lol

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I get the feeling people feel they can insult, debase, send people to hell to be tormented forever,
talk about not knowing Jesus, or love, have integrity, honesty, be liars, deceivers and the worst
ever, but miss understand a point, how dare you,

 

[UnderGrace]

I get the feeling people feel they can insult, debase, send people to hell to be tormented forever,
talk about not knowing Jesus, or love, have integrity, honesty, be liars, deceivers and the worst
ever, but miss understand a point, how dare you,

Here I think you missed one

 

[TruthTalk]

Here I think you missed one

Hi UnderGrace, here you are seeing a wolf in sheep's clothing exposed.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Hi UnderGrace, here you are seeing a wolf in sheep's clothing exposed.

Funny how making fun of the wolves stirs them up when they find they are actually
powerless and destined for the judgement seat. God bless you.

By the way a wolf is only here to hurt and destroy not point people to repentance and faith in
Jesus to transform them into Children of the living God.

The wolf notion is the one idea I have only so far found here on this forum,
because in most forums it is not allowed and is totally inappropriate.
What makes people this desperate to even use it against loving caring people who
wish to encourage people to follow Jesus. Must be they have been looking too long
in the mirror and see their own reflections everywhere.