Not By Works

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Hevosmies said:
One thing everyone is aware of who knows me is: Im a very very lazy man. I could not possibly look up all the not of works Scriptures. Here is my suggestion:

You do all the work for me, and kindly explain to me in Christian love exactly what works Paul is talking about. Deal? Sounds good to me!
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Does not matter....he will not accept the truth anyway....If the works of the law will not save, no works will save...you cannot get more righteous than the works of the law and the bible is clear....NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS<---ONE CANNOT DO WORKS MORE RIGHTEOUS THAN WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS....his gospel is false and contrary to the truth...!!!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You cant be a member because you can’t obey, You have to be ADOPTED AFTER you are SAVED

All children obey, Not to be children, but because THEY ARE CHILDEN.

Your pride is deep. And is your downfall.
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Jesus wouldn't have saved me if I did not humble myself, repent of my sins, and call on him.
 
star said:
Those of us who have eternal salvation because we accepted Jesus Christ as our Savior give thanks to God for His infinite mercy and grace given to us as a free gift. Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
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So are you saying Jesus called us to follow Him and obey Him or to ignore His word
and go against His teaching?

Because all the blessing is fulfilled in us obeying Him. Anything else is a betrayal.
 
YourTruthGod said:
Uh that's some of that OBEYING Jesus tells us to do BEFORE we get saved.
How do you think you get lifted up to the throne to live in Jesus if you never obeyed by humbling yourself?
If you never obeyed by humbling yourself then you were not exalted.

It is not of God to preach we don't have to obey. It is not a sound mind that says we don't have to obey.

Even Peter tells us that people misunderstand Paul and that they are not sound in the mind, then Peter warns us to obey.
Read all of 2 Peter 3, and especially 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.

You don't live in fear every day if you are doing something about your sins! Which that fear helps you deal with those sins.
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False....we do not live in fear everyday because WE ARE UBDER GRACE WHICH OUTBOUNDS OUR SIN WHEN WE SIN....a concept that you cannot even begin to grasp and TRUE LOVE CASTS OUT ALL FEAR!!
 
mailmandan said:
Notice that - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (vs. 9) is IN CONTRAST TO - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (vs. 8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us (vs. 10).

Certain people misunderstand 1 John 1:9 to mean that we must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!"

Genuine believers speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness.
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John is telling the believers that if they never admitted their sins, then they did not confess and repent of them, then they are NOT SAVED.
 
dcontroversal said:
This is the most stupid analogy I have ever seen in my 5 years on this site.....one must become a child first to get the gift.......wow........what ignorance of the word............man you are soooooo deceived
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Amen

YOU DO NOT TAKE GIFTS AWAY,

If your using them to GAIN someones obedience, they are called bribes not gifts.
 
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dcontroversal said:
This guy is quickly becoming one of the top cake takers I have ever seen on this site.........I really believe he is one of the top when it comes to devaluing Jesus and the work he does and has done on our behalf......and for sure he peddles full blown works for salvation...ONE MUST BECOME A CHILD BEFORE THEY GET THE GIFT places full emphasis upon self.........very satanic
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I think he has been her before.. Alot of the stuff he says sounds familiar..

He also thinks people have been banned because they preach obedience, so it seems he has a thing against this site also.. Makes me wonder if he was banned also.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yep. But by faith.. Thats what Paul was telling them. Just like he did titus

It is not by our RIGHTIOUS DEEDS we were saved, It was by GODS MERCY HE SAVED US

No one ever saved themselves like your professing. If you think you saved yourself or can. Your going to get a rude awakening one day.

But we are not here to convince you, Only God can, We are here to prevent you from bringing others with you.
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I have a powerful testimony. I just wanted to help others to have such a testimony too.

I love God's Truth and preach it.
 
dcontroversal said:
Oh there is for sure.....and that Spirit is not of God.....one who states they must become a chikd first to get the gift is not being led of God....that is for sure!!
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Lol.. The gift of God is eternal life


What part do they not get?

If you have not been given the gift, YOUR STILL DEAD..
 
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YourTruthGod said:
1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
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Confess means to STATE or ACKNOWLEDGE.

Repent means to change ones mind

Two different words, two different meaning

But since you make up your own stuff. You can;t see the difference.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I think he has been her before.. Alot of the stuff he says sounds familiar..

He also thinks people have been banned because they preach obedience, so it seems he has a thing against this site also.. Makes me wonder if he was banned also.
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I agree....was getting that vibe myself......and he never did say who he was associated with.....and claims this special REVELATION that few know.....big clue there and also points to his deception as well
 
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YourTruthGod said:
Jesus wouldn't have saved me if I did not humble myself, repent of my sins, and call on him.
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You do not even think your saved, You think you have to earn it, and if you do not live up to some standard, You will be lost..

Thats not salvation man,,
 
Rosemaryx said:
When I first came to Jesus through the calling of God , I was all over the place...
One day I was saved , next day I was not , I was a sprout blowing from side to side...
Then when I came in here and I was told I was putting the cart before the horse , it upset me , I realized that what I was talking about was not biblical at all , but speaking from my own imagination...

DCon , you and others kept going on about grace through faith , and not by works , so I went away and studied that , and by Gods Amazing grace He opened the Scripture up to me and everything fell into place...

The word of God should not be taken lightly , it is good to keep seeking until we have understanding , my heart is sad towards those who say works saves , no one is saying or has said we do not work AFTER we are saved , for God alone has works for us before the foundation of the world , yes we stumble , but thank God His mighty right hand , the power of God lifts us up to walk into maturity...xox...
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Security in Christ is through the cross and His love expressed there.
The extreme view of this security is a security without respect or love towards God, just
a privilege of being in the group. Now at first this idea seems appealing, we are safe in
Christ and our behaviour is irratic and unsorted out so we need grace and patience.

But there is a large difference between grace to continue in sin, and grace to work through
our issue to end up walking like Jesus.

Now some use grace as a license to sin, because they do not have open loving hearts to
find the will of God and see it literally work through them. Others who know sins deceitfullness
want above all to find that place of maturity in Christ.

What concerns me is when rather than respecting Gods ways and His work of maturity in us,
it is just an attempt to condemn and slander those who walk in Christs ways.

We know the fruit of sin and death, and our hearts beat is to know Jesus more.
There is no other way, this is the way of faith in Jesus, Amen.
 
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