Not By Works
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In other words. Context goes right out the door.
This person is trying to earn his salvation. Tries to push it off or being obedient.. WHat he is teaching will lead people to think they may get to heaven, Only to find they wwere never known By God. No matter how many works they did.
This person is trying to earn his salvation. Tries to push it off or being obedient.. WHat he is teaching will lead people to think they may get to heaven, Only to find they wwere never known By God. No matter how many works they did.
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The jailer asked the question
Acts 16:30-34
30 And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 Now when he had brought them into his house, he set food before them; and he rejoiced, having believed in God with all his household.
And the answer was given in V31.
So according to V31 he was saved when he believed.
So he asked the question first and was given the answer.
He repented of the sin of unbelief.
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1. You have scripture that says faith alone must have right action with it.
2. Since the beginning of time God has been telling humans to do right when it comes to sin.
3. God tells us many times to stop sinning and repent of those sins.
4. In the Old Testament God promises the Savior to those who repent of their sins.
5. Jesus wouldn't come until the people were prepared for Jesus by repenting of their sins.
6. John the baptizer prepared the way for the Lord by having people repent of their sins.
7. Jesus himself told the people to repent of their sins.
8. Jesus had his earthly ministry and spent the time teaching the people what to do and what not to do.
9. Jesus died and the OLD rules and regulation were nailed to the cross.
10. Everything that God has said from the beginning of time until Jesus died, rose again, and ascended did not change when Paul came along!
11. Jesus' words will never pass away.
2. Since the beginning of time God has been telling humans to do right when it comes to sin.
3. God tells us many times to stop sinning and repent of those sins.
4. In the Old Testament God promises the Savior to those who repent of their sins.
5. Jesus wouldn't come until the people were prepared for Jesus by repenting of their sins.
6. John the baptizer prepared the way for the Lord by having people repent of their sins.
7. Jesus himself told the people to repent of their sins.
8. Jesus had his earthly ministry and spent the time teaching the people what to do and what not to do.
9. Jesus died and the OLD rules and regulation were nailed to the cross.
10. Everything that God has said from the beginning of time until Jesus died, rose again, and ascended did not change when Paul came along!
11. Jesus' words will never pass away.
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For the same reason he writes
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
There were Jews who wanted the Gentile to be circumcised as part of their conversion to Christianity.
The Gentiles were aware of the law of the Jews.
Ephesians 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
There were Jews who wanted the Gentile to be circumcised as part of their conversion to Christianity.
The Gentiles were aware of the law of the Jews.
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Acts 10:44-48
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.
Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.
Acts 11:15
15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning.
Acts 16:32
32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house.
So given the above verses which you quote as state the message in said verses is saying we need to repent of our sins, what are those sins?
Because I can't see what you are seeing.
Unless it has to do with baptism.
All of the above verses you quoted either contain baptism or the ones following mention baptism.
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The Gentiles KNEW that they did NOT have a relationship with God because they did not get circumcised in the flesh and do the other WORKS OF THE LAW, which are the purification works.
The Gentiles KNEW that it was AGAINST the LAW for Jews to associate with the Gentiles.
The Gentiles KNEW they were called UNCLEAN because they did NOT do the purification works of the law.
Paul explained how the Gentiles could now be saved too when they used to be enemies of God and dead in their sins BECAUSE they did NOT do the purification works of the law WHICH ATONED FOR THEIR SOULS, which means it justified and made one right before God.
The Gentiles KNEW that it was AGAINST the LAW for Jews to associate with the Gentiles.
The Gentiles KNEW they were called UNCLEAN because they did NOT do the purification works of the law.
Paul explained how the Gentiles could now be saved too when they used to be enemies of God and dead in their sins BECAUSE they did NOT do the purification works of the law WHICH ATONED FOR THEIR SOULS, which means it justified and made one right before God.
One thing everyone is aware of who knows me is: Im a very very lazy man. I could not possibly look up all the not of works Scriptures. Here is my suggestion:
You do all the work for me, and kindly explain to me in Christian love exactly what works Paul is talking about. Deal? Sounds good to me!
You do all the work for me, and kindly explain to me in Christian love exactly what works Paul is talking about. Deal? Sounds good to me!
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that they were normally called by people groups. That has nothign to do with the law. The jews always called them uncircumcized
What paul literally said is the people who were circumcized by the flesh (jews) called those who were not the uncircumcized or unclean people.
Paul was not saying to the eph people we have been saved by grace through faith not by works (of the law) as th elegalist is tryign to claim.
What paul literally said is the people who were circumcized by the flesh (jews) called those who were not the uncircumcized or unclean people.
Paul was not saying to the eph people we have been saved by grace through faith not by works (of the law) as th elegalist is tryign to claim.
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Uh that's some of that OBEYING Jesus tells us to do BEFORE we get saved.
How do you think you get lifted up to the throne to live in Jesus if you never obeyed by humbling yourself?
If you never obeyed by humbling yourself then you were not exalted.
It is not of God to preach we don't have to obey. It is not a sound mind that says we don't have to obey.
Even Peter tells us that people misunderstand Paul and that they are not sound in the mind, then Peter warns us to obey.
Read all of 2 Peter 3, and especially 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.
You don't live in fear every day if you are doing something about your sins! Which that fear helps you deal with those sins.
How do you think you get lifted up to the throne to live in Jesus if you never obeyed by humbling yourself?
If you never obeyed by humbling yourself then you were not exalted.
It is not of God to preach we don't have to obey. It is not a sound mind that says we don't have to obey.
Even Peter tells us that people misunderstand Paul and that they are not sound in the mind, then Peter warns us to obey.
Read all of 2 Peter 3, and especially 2 Peter 3:16, and 17.
You don't live in fear every day if you are doing something about your sins! Which that fear helps you deal with those sins.
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James is not expounding how the the faith that justifies before God. He is in fact expounding on the faith that justifies before men, since God does not need to see the evidence of faith, while man absolutely does need that.
So James' justification is in the eyes of others.
So number is wrong.
So James' justification is in the eyes of others.
So number is wrong.
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A child of God does not live in fear every day because they was adopted into a royal family. With God as their father.
Not because they are doing somethign about their sins. Unlike you they are not foolish enough to think they are sinless. Nor are they untrustworthy of their father so much that they fear getting kicked out of his family for not meeting his standard (a standard no one can keep by the way)
Not because they are doing somethign about their sins. Unlike you they are not foolish enough to think they are sinless. Nor are they untrustworthy of their father so much that they fear getting kicked out of his family for not meeting his standard (a standard no one can keep by the way)
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When I got saved , I did not have a clue about anything other that Jesus died a most horrific death for the sins of my life , past , present and future...
Only by the word of God and Jesus teaching me I have learned and still learning , and will carry on growing until the Lord calls me home...
It is only by feeding on the word of God that teaches us to live our lives before Christ...Before I understood what I know now , I was a babe in Christ , just like we all start out...
The day I got saved , I was in Christ , I did many things wrong , but our Lord corrected me...
Every night before I go to sleep , I tell God I am sorry for any sin I have unknowingly committed , and for any I am aware of , because the Holy Spirit is my guide ...
But I never go to sleep worrying if I am not saved , for the Holy Spirit tells my spirit that I am Gods daughter...xox...
Only by the word of God and Jesus teaching me I have learned and still learning , and will carry on growing until the Lord calls me home...
It is only by feeding on the word of God that teaches us to live our lives before Christ...Before I understood what I know now , I was a babe in Christ , just like we all start out...
The day I got saved , I was in Christ , I did many things wrong , but our Lord corrected me...
Every night before I go to sleep , I tell God I am sorry for any sin I have unknowingly committed , and for any I am aware of , because the Holy Spirit is my guide ...
But I never go to sleep worrying if I am not saved , for the Holy Spirit tells my spirit that I am Gods daughter...xox...
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