Why is praying in tongues necessary?

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He also believes that if you have not been baptized you are not saved.
Thanks for the heads-up.
There are also many who believe that the Holy Spirit comes through water baptism.
They call it Chrismation.

To me, baptism is a ceremony. A ceremony is an outward sign (testimony) of an inward reality.
It is merely symbolic. Though oftentimes God will use it in powerful ways by his presence at the event.
 

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I have asked and will ask again, those that believe in tongues today.

The snake handlers strongly believe and speak in tongues and they base their tongues from the same passages that many use here; i.e. 1 Cor 12-14/ Acts/ Mark 16. I have a few questions:

Q. Do you think their tongue is genuine? Why not? is it because of the snake they handle? Is the difference between them and you only a snake?
 

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How would we know any of that since it's not part of our life?

Why do you know about them?
 

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How would we know any of that since it's not part of our life?

Why do you know about them?
Is 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 not part of your life?

Isn't this thread about the gift of tongues? well, they also speak in tongues and they support what they do by quoting 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 just like you.

Can anyone use 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 to explain how their claims are wrong and your claims right? Why do you want us to believe your claims by quoting us 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16?
 

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If a snake handler puts the snake down, there will be not a single difference between you and them. You'll quote us 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 and they will also quote the same; but you want us to believe that your tongue is genuine and theirs is fake.

But if you believe that the snake handlers tongue is genuine, i would also like to know.
 

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1: Those who do not speak in tongues do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit - the scriptures attest to this.
2: Salvation is not limited to the Spirit-filled church only.
There is a first resurrection and also a second resurrection. The Spirit-filled church, the saints, have the promise of the first resurrection
(1Corinthians 15 and Revelation 20).

5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20: (ESV)
You wrote: "2: Salvation is not limited to the Spirit-filled church only. "

How is it then that those outside what you call "the Spirit-filled church" demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit?
Is this not a work of the Holy Spirit within them? Thus evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit. ???
 

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Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Ephesians 5:8-10 NKJV
For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light
9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
10 finding out what is acceptable to the Lord.
 

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If a snake handler puts the snake down, there will be not a single difference between you and them.
We always insist that the snake handlers NOT put the snake down.
So that you will be able to tell the difference between us and them. lol
If you think that's ridiculous, read what you wrote. lol - Wow. Seriously?
 

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We always insist that the snake handlers NOT put the snake down.
So that you will be able to tell the difference between us and them. lol
If you think that's ridiculous, read what you wrote. lol - Wow. Seriously?
I don't think anything is ridiculous, i just want to know.
Do you think the snake handlers 'tongue' is genuine?
 

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We always insist that the snake handlers NOT put the snake down.
So that you will be able to tell the difference between us and them. lol
If you think that's ridiculous, read what you wrote. lol - Wow. Seriously?
Do you think the snake handlers 'tongue' is genuine?
 
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that means its not taught anywhere else in scripture
But it is scripture God living word. Did you mean that God did not touch on those subjects more deeper possibly as a spiritual understanding in parables ?

The difference between the use of Paul and Peter for instance and some not calling it Paul twist

from Peter:

2 Peter 3:16
as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

at one time people were obliviously misunderstanding Paul. what were those misunderstandings?
I think the scripture refers to it as "hard sayings" or offensive they twisted the meaning refusing to hear what it says just in John 6 .And in doing so making the word of God without effect through the oral traditions of the kind of fathers that turned things upside down twisting to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. It would seem they did understand but refused to hear and believe. But did it the Sinatra way they did it there way"

These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? John 6

The faithless Jews in that way took away (twisted) the understanding that comes from comparing scripture to scripture. They performed that by giving different authors of scriptures different degree of venerating or hallowing one another. (The hierarchy of Catholicism). Just as Catholics hold Peter as unto a Holy Father the faithless Jews performed that with the name Abraham having him to our Father in heaven . I would suggest that we do not offer the understanding of God's word as Peter's understanding Mary's understanding or Paul . Christ alone was crucified for the sins of those elected to salvation. In that way he defines the us in Christ.

In that way he shows us he is not served by human hands as related to natural unconverted man. He uses to preach the gospel a Ass a unclean animal to represent natural unconverted man as a beast of the field to emphasize he is not served by human hands..

Exodus 13:13And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Three times denoted the end of the matter.
 
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1: Those who do not speak in tongues do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit - the scriptures attest to this.
2: Salvation is not limited to the Spirit-filled church only.
Tongues as prophecy is a work of the indwelling Spirit. Its not something we do but what he performs in us with us. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to him. He does unseen the filling.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

No power for pride. Power to walk by faith, the light unto our feet, lamp unto our path .

Salvation is limited to the Spirit-filled church only. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to him.

No sign gifts. Signs follow prophecy. They are not prophecy any more than a sign exiting city limits that informs the driver ."You have exited city limits, next city 5 miles". . Or you have just been bitten by a deadly snake used to represent the false doctrines of the father lies, that will not effect the elect that do have the power of Christ working in us to both will and do His good pleasure. Signs follow, not something one seeks after or experiences .

Being bitten by poison snake to represent Satan did not give them faith to believe God not seen. The faith of Christ that worked in the disciples did its work. It as it is written leads us straight through no round and roundabouts we go .
 
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You're not an apostle, so this is not to you. Furthermore, the apostles had and held to sound doctrine and you'd be disqualified to be an apostle at that time, just as you are disqualified at this time from being a teacher or pastor since your teachings are unbiblical.

My teaching is pure scripture.


You didn’t call me to teach and you didn’t anoint me to teach, brother.


Jesus did.


You can deny the truth all you want then at the Judgement seat of Christ you can give an account of your disobedience.



JLB
 

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Is 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 not part of your life?

Isn't this thread about the gift of tongues? well, they also speak in tongues and they support what they do by quoting 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 just like you.

Can anyone use 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 to explain how their claims are wrong and your claims right? Why do you want us to believe your claims by quoting us 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16?
That's only for God to judge but as far as the snakes in the service? They don't know the difference between the shining one or serpent, and snakes on the earth. And wisdom would say, don't go looking for trouble. Snakes bite.

Deception came in for some reason. They misunderstood scripture which proves that Satan is a liar.

Am not a mountain woman. Nor have I ever encountered this.

But, is not the Word of God enough for you? Why don't you believe it?
 

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That's only for God to judge but as far as the snakes in the service? They don't know the difference between the shining one or serpent, and snakes on the earth. And wisdom would say, don't go looking for trouble. Snakes bite.

Deception came in for some reason. They misunderstood scripture which proves that Satan is a liar.

Am not a mountain woman. Nor have I ever encountered this.

But, is not the Word of God enough for you? Why don't you believe it?
Believe?! people believe different things from the same scripture, the reason i'm a secessionist and you are not and also the snake handler is not. Each one of us claims they believe the word of God but we can't all be right.

How come you pass the judgement that 'they' misunderstood the scripture and you did not?
 

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My teaching is pure scripture.


You didn’t call me to teach and you didn’t anoint me to teach, brother.


Jesus did.


You can deny the truth all you want then at the Judgement seat of Christ you can give an account of your disobedience.



JLB
Hi justpassintruth,
the thing is easy. Proof to me from the scripture that all christians have to got
the gift of speaking in tongues for to please God and have a intimate relationship with him.
Show me from the scripture that praying in tongues is more important than an prayer in my motherlanguage ore in my thoughts.
 
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Is 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 not part of your life?

Isn't this thread about the gift of tongues? well, they also speak in tongues and they support what they do by quoting 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 just like you.

Can anyone use 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16 to explain how their claims are wrong and your claims right? Why do you want us to believe your claims by quoting us 1 Cor 12/ 1 Cor 14/ Acts/ Mark 16?
The difference between the use of a serpent the father of lies) to represent the false prophets and poison their false prophecy. It was that which came after as a sign..... it points to the fact that they will not be deceived by false prophecy. They will not go above that which is written and puff themselves up.

The sign of tongues is different in so much it confirms unbelief the opposite of the sign Mark 16? One reveals a curse, the other a blessing.
 
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Hi justpassintruth,
the thing is easy. Proof to me from the scripture that all christians have to got
the gift of speaking in tongues for to please God and have a intimate relationship with him.
Show me from the scripture that praying in tongues is more important than an prayer in my motherlanguage ore in my thoughts.
Praying in tongues is prayer in my mother language or in my thoughts as mankind focus on the thoughts of God revealed in the scriptures. . No signs gifts that would or even could indicate the filling of the Spirit. We have the fulness (hearing of faith) from when we first believed.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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But it is scripture God living word. Did you mean that God did not touch on those subjects more deeper possibly as a spiritual understanding in parables ?
the bible says the berean Jews tested Pauls teachings against scripture, when we do this we dont find the angel language anywhere. i dont know how else to explain it. if Paul was really teaching an angel language then we should be able to do what the berean Jews did and find the teaching elsewhere in scripture, and this one is not there.

I think the scripture refers to it as "hard sayings" or offensive they twisted the meaning refusing to hear what it says just in John 6 .And in doing so making the word of God without effect through the oral traditions of the kind of fathers that turned things upside down twisting to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. It would seem they did understand but refused to hear and believe. But did it the Sinatra way they did it there way"

These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? John 6

The faithless Jews in that way took away (twisted) the understanding that comes from comparing scripture to scripture. They performed that by giving different authors of scriptures different degree of venerating or hallowing one another. (The hierarchy of Catholicism). Just as Catholics hold Peter as unto a Holy Father the faithless Jews performed that with the name Abraham having him to our Father in heaven . I would suggest that we do not offer the understanding of God's word as Peter's understanding Mary's understanding or Paul . Christ alone was crucified for the sins of those elected to salvation. In that way he defines the us in Christ.

In that way he shows us he is not served by human hands as related to natural unconverted man. He uses to preach the gospel a Ass a unclean animal to represent natural unconverted man as a beast of the field to emphasize he is not served by human hands..

Exodus 13:13And every firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb; and if thou wilt not redeem it, then thou shalt break his neck: and all the firstborn of man among thy children shalt thou redeem.

Numbers 22:28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Three times denoted the end of the matter.
im not sure on the "hard teaching" conclusion. 1st of all what does hard teaching mean? seems it could mean a lot of things. my bible says hard to understand, that means exactly that, confusing or hard to make sense of. all the more reason why its easy to see how people can get incorrect doctrines from Paul.
 

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I don't think anything is ridiculous, i just want to know.
Do you think the snake handlers 'tongue' is genuine?
Is there a video to watch or something?
How would we know if a tongue was "genuine"?
I'm not sure I even understand the question. Who could ever say for sure?
All I could do is give an opinion that you would probably disagree with.
Mostly because you are an "expert" on tongues, right?