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We have a problem here in use of language. Faith alone is believing in ideas without a change within.
The cornerstone of our faith, is we become Children of God, saints while before being sinners.
Peter described himself like this
"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
Acts 10:14
Paul described himself like this
in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.
Phil 3:5-6
These guys followed God to a degree we would barely recognise and call legalism.
To them faith meant obedience, and not obeying would be a denial of the faith.
It was revolutionary when God declared love fulfils the law. It is love flowing through our hearts because of
Gods healing, His Holy Spirit, His life that invades our very souls, means we walk in His ways, not choosing so
much as being.
Let me put this in context. I know many women, who are vulnerable and I could exploit. But I love them as
a father, as a brother, as a member of Gods people, and desire that they know Gods love and care.
With spiritual reality, I can pray for them and encourage them in things that are wholesome, loving and
encouraging, to be a help in times of great difficulty.
Love transcends our humanity, it overwhelms it, and brings the eternal into focus through the cross.
When our hearts are cleansed and we can dwell in peace with Jesus, we begin to see people as they really
are, and know what to share and help them with. God bless you.
The cornerstone of our faith, is we become Children of God, saints while before being sinners.
Peter described himself like this
"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
Acts 10:14
Paul described himself like this
in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless.
Phil 3:5-6
These guys followed God to a degree we would barely recognise and call legalism.
To them faith meant obedience, and not obeying would be a denial of the faith.
It was revolutionary when God declared love fulfils the law. It is love flowing through our hearts because of
Gods healing, His Holy Spirit, His life that invades our very souls, means we walk in His ways, not choosing so
much as being.
Let me put this in context. I know many women, who are vulnerable and I could exploit. But I love them as
a father, as a brother, as a member of Gods people, and desire that they know Gods love and care.
With spiritual reality, I can pray for them and encourage them in things that are wholesome, loving and
encouraging, to be a help in times of great difficulty.
Love transcends our humanity, it overwhelms it, and brings the eternal into focus through the cross.
When our hearts are cleansed and we can dwell in peace with Jesus, we begin to see people as they really
are, and know what to share and help them with. God bless you.
yes, we do have a problem with language.
the words " believe " and " obey " are not the same, even though fran and some others think so.
the definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, whatever is not of faith is sin.
followhissteps ( not sure who he is following, not Jesus) does not recognize the definition of sin, though he lectures about it constantly.
we certainly do have a language and definition problem.
because the self-righteous and self saviors have to bend and twist and deny so they can prop up their self delusions of having to do their part to help God save them.
the words " believe " and " obey " are not the same, even though fran and some others think so.
the definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, whatever is not of faith is sin.
followhissteps ( not sure who he is following, not Jesus) does not recognize the definition of sin, though he lectures about it constantly.
we certainly do have a language and definition problem.
because the self-righteous and self saviors have to bend and twist and deny so they can prop up their self delusions of having to do their part to help God save them.
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Exactly, so why have you made His Gospel message and our response to it (obedience) salvation by works?
I read nothing in the passage that makes it a cultural rule, you will need to prove this from scripture because otherwise it is a rule still valid for today, and I could make a case that many other rules are not in effect today like homosexuality etc.,
I read nothing in the passage that makes it a cultural rule, you will need to prove this from scripture because otherwise it is a rule still valid for today, and I could make a case that many other rules are not in effect today like homosexuality etc.,
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We have given you all the verses many times over.
I think you missed the point, God cannot be likened to a dysfunctional parent bad parent, in essence those that teach a justified status
can be revoked based on the behaviour/sin have made salvation a system of quid pro quo.
You do realize this????
Your obedience is tied to external rules because your obedience is for salvation
I am obedient to Jesus within because my obedience is a result of salvation
The scripture is clear. Salvation is a gift presently available not to be earned in any way, to teach it can be earned is a complete mockery of what God has done for us.
…3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.…
Open your mind Fran we preach Truth, absolute, complete Truth, and by denying this truth you miss a deeper stronger relationship with your loving Father.
I think you missed the point, God cannot be likened to a dysfunctional parent bad parent, in essence those that teach a justified status
can be revoked based on the behaviour/sin have made salvation a system of quid pro quo.
You do realize this????
Your obedience is tied to external rules because your obedience is for salvation
I am obedient to Jesus within because my obedience is a result of salvation
The scripture is clear. Salvation is a gift presently available not to be earned in any way, to teach it can be earned is a complete mockery of what God has done for us.
…3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.…
Open your mind Fran we preach Truth, absolute, complete Truth, and by denying this truth you miss a deeper stronger relationship with your loving Father.
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Missing the mark is defined by God, it is Gods mark.
Condemners will make sure you condemn yourself.
Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
James 4:17
James is saying knowing Gods ways is not enough we have to walk in them or we are sinning.
But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin
Rom 14:23
Paul is addressing eating food sacrificed to idols. He is distinguishing between those who eat
with a clear conscience and those who eat despite their conscience condemning them.
He is saying our conscience should guide us, and we should work through this to know if our
faith encourages us to behave one way or another and follow this, or it is sinful
If people want to live in self condemnation and not walk in grace that is their conscience.
These preachers hate the idea of walking like Jesus, which they believe is impossible, so
Paul is lying by their doctrine
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Cor 11:1
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example
2 Thess 3:7
Unfortunately these blind condemners only know their own failure and wish to condemn others
in the unbelief in the cross and the Holy Spirit to transform us, and that we can actually love
from the heart in forgiveness and faith, Halleluyah. Praise God He has brought us into the Holy
of Hollies that now dwells in our cleansed purified hearts as we draw close to God in our new
lives in Christ, Amen.
Condemners will make sure you condemn yourself.
Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
James 4:17
James is saying knowing Gods ways is not enough we have to walk in them or we are sinning.
But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin
Rom 14:23
Paul is addressing eating food sacrificed to idols. He is distinguishing between those who eat
with a clear conscience and those who eat despite their conscience condemning them.
He is saying our conscience should guide us, and we should work through this to know if our
faith encourages us to behave one way or another and follow this, or it is sinful
If people want to live in self condemnation and not walk in grace that is their conscience.
These preachers hate the idea of walking like Jesus, which they believe is impossible, so
Paul is lying by their doctrine
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Cor 11:1
For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example
2 Thess 3:7
Unfortunately these blind condemners only know their own failure and wish to condemn others
in the unbelief in the cross and the Holy Spirit to transform us, and that we can actually love
from the heart in forgiveness and faith, Halleluyah. Praise God He has brought us into the Holy
of Hollies that now dwells in our cleansed purified hearts as we draw close to God in our new
lives in Christ, Amen.
@YourTruthGod You said God cleanses us of sins we repented of (stopped doing).
I got a question: What about the ones you havent repented of? And then you die, is it frying time?
I got a question: What about the ones you havent repented of? And then you die, is it frying time?
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"Your obedience is tied to external rules because your obedience is for salvation"
As far as I read my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I myself, our walk is the affirmation of our
faith and our salvation. It is like saying you can feel our heart beat so you know we are alive.
No heart beat, we are dead.
As far as I read my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I myself, our walk is the affirmation of our
faith and our salvation. It is like saying you can feel our heart beat so you know we are alive.
No heart beat, we are dead.
This is a good question. God says that we should confess all the sins we know of.
As He brings light to our lives, and we walk with Him, problems and issues we need to work through.
Some issues are structural and take time and perseverance, not sin but things that lead that way.
It has always been about focus, our focus of Him and love with service or on our failure and troubles.
This tension will always be present, yet we are being transformed. Do you not feel this in your life
and walk with Him?
As He brings light to our lives, and we walk with Him, problems and issues we need to work through.
Some issues are structural and take time and perseverance, not sin but things that lead that way.
It has always been about focus, our focus of Him and love with service or on our failure and troubles.
This tension will always be present, yet we are being transformed. Do you not feel this in your life
and walk with Him?
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Hevosmies, only the Lord knows.
In the temple God says this
'If the whole Israelite community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands, even though the community is unaware of the matter, they are guilty.
When they become aware of the sin they committed, the assembly must bring a young bull as a sin offering and present it before the Tent of Meeting.
The elders of the community are to lay their hands on the bull's head before the LORD, and the bull shall be slaughtered before the LORD.
Lev 4:13-15
There are questions we do not have answers to because God does not provide them.
It is why we live in trust and love, rather than sight and confidence.
So unfortunately this is not evasion, it is just how the Lord is, the creator of the Universe.
We are mere servants learning His ways. It has taken me time to realise He desires us to
follow in a particular way because that is the only way we can gain sight and start to live
as we should. Anything more and we would stray and easily go wrong.
In the temple God says this
'If the whole Israelite community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands, even though the community is unaware of the matter, they are guilty.
When they become aware of the sin they committed, the assembly must bring a young bull as a sin offering and present it before the Tent of Meeting.
The elders of the community are to lay their hands on the bull's head before the LORD, and the bull shall be slaughtered before the LORD.
Lev 4:13-15
There are questions we do not have answers to because God does not provide them.
It is why we live in trust and love, rather than sight and confidence.
So unfortunately this is not evasion, it is just how the Lord is, the creator of the Universe.
We are mere servants learning His ways. It has taken me time to realise He desires us to
follow in a particular way because that is the only way we can gain sight and start to live
as we should. Anything more and we would stray and easily go wrong.
