Retire the Ten Commandments?
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With reference to John 3:5, Nicodemus who was well versed in the Old Testament would have been familiar with the prophesy in Ezekiel chapter 36. Actual water is not involved. This is why Jesus said to Nicodemus in verse 10 "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?"
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Eze 36:25-27 KJV)
Water baptism does not take our sins away, rather it is an outward commitment we make when we give our life over to God. As a result of letting Christ into our heart and life, we are filled with the Holy Ghost, after which we look for the outward manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit that seem to be sadly lacking in our modern society.
Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Eze 36:25-27 KJV)
Water baptism does not take our sins away, rather it is an outward commitment we make when we give our life over to God. As a result of letting Christ into our heart and life, we are filled with the Holy Ghost, after which we look for the outward manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit that seem to be sadly lacking in our modern society.
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Psa 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Psa 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
To be clear, You admit that the law we are talking about is the 10 commandments, (not the 600 commands or other laws) the Law that contains 10 commands. The Law that God wrote on stone found in Ex 20.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, ..... The 10 commandments.
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake.....
So there was a law that contained 10 commandments and it isn't fair to add to, take away, or say it is the same as the other laws that were given.
There are other laws that were given for different reasons.
Jesus, Paul and James all say the law should not be made void, or done away with. And in other places Paul states that a law is abolished.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
If you believe there is only ONE law then these Bible texts contradict each other.
i believe that some laws were abolished at the cross because they were a shadow pointing to the cross, but the 10 commandments are spiritual principles that God wants us to have written on or hearts.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Psa 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
To be clear, You admit that the law we are talking about is the 10 commandments, (not the 600 commands or other laws) the Law that contains 10 commands. The Law that God wrote on stone found in Ex 20.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying, ..... The 10 commandments.
Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake.....
So there was a law that contained 10 commandments and it isn't fair to add to, take away, or say it is the same as the other laws that were given.
There are other laws that were given for different reasons.
Jesus, Paul and James all say the law should not be made void, or done away with. And in other places Paul states that a law is abolished.
Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
If you believe there is only ONE law then these Bible texts contradict each other.
i believe that some laws were abolished at the cross because they were a shadow pointing to the cross, but the 10 commandments are spiritual principles that God wants us to have written on or hearts.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
Heb_10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
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So you mix the old and new covenants? I've heard SDA's demand Sabbath keeping for Christians under the new covenant and I've also heard them teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml
The fruit of this kind of scripture twisting is salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." More than a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
Now show me in the New Testament where the Church is commanded to keep the Sabbath day.
The fruit of this kind of scripture twisting is salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." More than a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.
*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).
These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).
If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
Now show me in the New Testament where the Church is commanded to keep the Sabbath day.
I see Hebrews was already used as a proof text for evidence that the Sabbath days are still important. How about another place then? Do you keep the feasts of Messiah which have been given as well with various Sabbaths the Father has appointed for mankind to meet with him?
1 Cor. 5:8
"Therefore let us keep the feast, not with the old bread, leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and of truth."
So you do this because the Apostle taught the early assembly to do so. What about the feast of Passover? Do you keep it as well? How about the day of atonement and first fruits?
No you don't because you have loved falsity over truthfulness and you would rather walk in darkness than in the light.
There are many scriptures that allude to keeping the Sabbaths in the covenant. Must people don't recognize them because instead of the word of Elohim in their heart's they have stored false idols like Christmas, Easter, and thanksgiving.
Didn't Israel perish in the wilderness for this same form of disobedience?
Think on it
Rev. Says we have all been given a test to see if we will listen and obey or not. It is the same word given from the beginning.
Are you mixed up in the Hebrew Roots movement? In contrast with the Old Testament Passover feast, which was celebrated annually, believers celebrate the feast of the new Passover, which is Jesus Christ. The Jews celebrated the Passover with unleavened bread, yet believers celebrate their continual Passover with unleavened lives (unleavened bread of sincerity and truth). Verses 6 and 7 are referring to the Passover Feast and during Passover, Jews would eat unleavened bread, as a symbol of moral purity. Here Paul is explaining this symbolism. In the analogy, leaven represents sin, and he says that just as even a little yeast is sufficient to leaven a large loaf of bread, just a little sin is enough to contaminate an entire body of believers. You missed the spiritual significance, just as you did in Hebrews 4:9. The keeping of Sabbath days (including the weekly Sabbath) are not binding on the Church in the New Testament (Colossians 2:16-17).
This is slanderous which stems from pride.
Oh sure, those terrible traditions. I've heard this same argument from Hebrew Roots gurus numerous times.
Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
This is slanderous which stems from pride.
Oh sure, those terrible traditions. I've heard this same argument from Hebrew Roots gurus numerous times.
Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
Are you mixed up in the Hebrew Roots movement? In contrast with the Old Testament Passover feast, which was celebrated annually, believers celebrate the feast of the new Passover, which is Jesus Christ. The Jews celebrated the Passover with unleavened bread, yet believers celebrate their continual Passover with unleavened lives (unleavened bread of sincerity and truth). Verses 6 and 7 are referring to the Passover Feast and during Passover, Jews would eat unleavened bread, as a symbol of moral purity. Here Paul is explaining this symbolism. In the analogy, leaven represents sin, and he says that just as even a little yeast is sufficient to leaven a large loaf of bread, just a little sin is enough to contaminate an entire body of believers. You missed the spiritual significance, just as you did in Hebrews 4:9. The keeping of Sabbath days (including the weekly Sabbath) are not binding on the Church in the New Testament (Colossians 2:16-17).
This is slanderous which stems from pride.
Oh sure, those terrible traditions. I've heard this same argument from Hebrew Roots gurus numerous times.
Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
This is slanderous which stems from pride.
Oh sure, those terrible traditions. I've heard this same argument from Hebrew Roots gurus numerous times.
Dangers of the Hebrew Roots Movement - https://answersingenesis.org/presuppositions/dangers-hebrew-roots-movement/
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You do understand this is not talking about some OT fiest, But talking about replacing the lie with the truth, and making sure we get the leaven out of our church do you not?
I am not a jew, I was not freed froom the slavery of Egypt. So why would I celebrate such a thing that was not for me? And why would you celebrate it? It was to be celebrated as paul said to lead the jews to christ. Since he was the lamb who’s blood was shed, and must be eated (john 6) so when Gods judgment comes, he PASSES OVER you and you are set free..
You mean the death of Christ? Did not the author of hebrews mock the jews for trying to continue to celebrate this day which could NEVER take away sin? And to look at the one true sacrifice who died once for all? Why do you celebrate something that can never have a part for you to be saved and was completely fulfilled by Christ? Has it not done its job in you, are you still lookin gfor Christ?
Walk in darkness? He is not the one still trying to add the law to grace. Thinking God will look highly on you because of your works. Thats you my friend.
Do you really keep the sabbath? Do you tithe of all your food also by giving the tenth of your crops to the tribe of Levi?
And if you do why? Why would you give it to a group of people who reject Christ?
Man what a joke..
I am not a jew, I was not freed froom the slavery of Egypt. So why would I celebrate such a thing that was not for me? And why would you celebrate it? It was to be celebrated as paul said to lead the jews to christ. Since he was the lamb who’s blood was shed, and must be eated (john 6) so when Gods judgment comes, he PASSES OVER you and you are set free..
You mean the death of Christ? Did not the author of hebrews mock the jews for trying to continue to celebrate this day which could NEVER take away sin? And to look at the one true sacrifice who died once for all? Why do you celebrate something that can never have a part for you to be saved and was completely fulfilled by Christ? Has it not done its job in you, are you still lookin gfor Christ?
Walk in darkness? He is not the one still trying to add the law to grace. Thinking God will look highly on you because of your works. Thats you my friend.
Do you really keep the sabbath? Do you tithe of all your food also by giving the tenth of your crops to the tribe of Levi?
And if you do why? Why would you give it to a group of people who reject Christ?
Man what a joke..
As well saying that pride was my motivation is error
By love I have been practicing compassionate instruction
Or have you forgotten what I'd written
My apologies for saying that it wasn't finished. I'm posting from my phone. It is never my intention to post my notes. I was thinking of mainstream Christianity and it's way of making followers of the traditions of men rather than the word of Elohim concerns me. I'm not attacking you or anyone personally and my bad if I offending you.
I was planning on looking up scriptures 😂
By love I have been practicing compassionate instruction
Or have you forgotten what I'd written
My apologies for saying that it wasn't finished. I'm posting from my phone. It is never my intention to post my notes. I was thinking of mainstream Christianity and it's way of making followers of the traditions of men rather than the word of Elohim concerns me. I'm not attacking you or anyone personally and my bad if I offending you.
I was planning on looking up scriptures 😂
Yes I keep the Sabbath day even if it's just remembered on the day. I don't claim to perfectly keep it. However I am persuaded that it was given for mankind as a gift, not simply a command.
Please consider a question friend... When a parent gives a gift to his child, does he take it away from the child if he seeks to obey his parent's?
How about if you consider others before yourself?
I do my best to serve the priesthood through clothing, feeding, or simply helping up my Master the Messiah where ever I see him in others.
Thanks for asking. Right now I have to work on the actual day to support my family. So I'm a slave for the glory of Messiah my Master.
Now think about what is happening with the church and what they teach. Do they teach obedience to the Father's instructions or lies?
Please consider a question friend... When a parent gives a gift to his child, does he take it away from the child if he seeks to obey his parent's?
How about if you consider others before yourself?
I do my best to serve the priesthood through clothing, feeding, or simply helping up my Master the Messiah where ever I see him in others.
Thanks for asking. Right now I have to work on the actual day to support my family. So I'm a slave for the glory of Messiah my Master.
Now think about what is happening with the church and what they teach. Do they teach obedience to the Father's instructions or lies?
2Ti 4:3 For the time will (has) come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith......
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you say because people are not willing to hear.
The doctrine about no Judgement and no law is very sweet to the ears. To simply say Christ paid it all and we are not needed to make any effort is easy to swallow. Christ did pay it all but we should not abuse this grace and continue in sin, we should obey because we love Jesus. We are asked to bear the cross and follow Jesus.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Rev_2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith......
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you say because people are not willing to hear.
The doctrine about no Judgement and no law is very sweet to the ears. To simply say Christ paid it all and we are not needed to make any effort is easy to swallow. Christ did pay it all but we should not abuse this grace and continue in sin, we should obey because we love Jesus. We are asked to bear the cross and follow Jesus.
Mar 8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.