Retire the Ten Commandments?

[seed_time_harvest]

Sin is transgression of the law. All who sin are condemned at judgement time. In the old testament a yearly sacrifice was required to remove the past years sins. The best sacrifice was an unblemished lamb. Only Jesus never sinned. Thus he became the Unblemished Lamb of God. Thus we have the free gift of grace. For by grace through faith in Jesus our sins are removed from us.

I disagree with the part I bolded and/underlined.

I still sin In the flesh from time to time but I’m not under law but under grace and won’t be judged by the law.

JESUS paid the penalty for the sins of the world and now by faith In the WORD of GOD I’m no longer under law but a member of the body of CHRIST.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Well, if you are thinking the Ten Commandments are of no effect today, be prepared to spend a very long time in prison or even on death row for not keeping them.

The ten commandments are still In effect for those who have not accepted CHRIST.
It’s the SPIRIT that gives life not the flesh.

 

[preston39]

I don't understand why you say that the ten commandments are still In effect for every person?

Because they are part of G-d's word which applies to all....and His word which does not change.
More important...who/what has given you the thought otherwise?

 

[preston39]

I disagree with the part I bolded and/underlined.

I still sin In the flesh from time to time but I’m not under law but under grace and won’t be judged by the law.

JESUS paid the penalty for the sins of the world and now by faith In the WORD of GOD I’m no longer under law but a member of the body of CHRIST.

Good luck on that one if you violate G-d's commandments. As a member of the body of Christ...one cannot violate G-d's commandments without penalty.....unless repented of and forgiven.
Forgiveness thru Grace is the reason Christ gave His life on the Cross.

 

[PS]

The ten commandments are still In effect for those who have not accepted CHRIST.
It’s the SPIRIT that gives life not the flesh.

 

[PS]

The ten commandments are still In effect for those who have not accepted CHRIST.
It’s the SPIRIT that gives life not the flesh.

Do you not think, that while we are in the flesh, that we should obey those commandments that relate to the flesh, regardless of whether we have accepted Christ or not?

1. to have no other gods besides Jehovah (the One God);
2. to make no images of anything in heaven or on earth, or in the water under the earth, and not to worship idols;
3. not to use the name of God for evil purposes;
4. to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy;
5. to honour (respect) one's father and mother;
6. not to commit murder;
7. not to commit adultery;
8. not to commit theft;
9. not to give false evidence (perjury); and
10. not to be covetous – do not desire another man's house; do not desire his wife, his slaves, his cattle, his donkeys, or anything else that he owns.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you not think, that while we are in the flesh, that we should obey those commandments that relate to the flesh, regardless of whether we have accepted Christ or not?

1. to have no other gods besides Jehovah (the One God);
2. to make no images of anything in heaven or on earth, or in the water under the earth, and not to worship idols;
3. not to use the name of God for evil purposes;
4. to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy;
5. to honour (respect) one's father and mother;
6. not to commit murder;
7. not to commit adultery;
8. not to commit theft;
9. not to give false evidence (perjury); and
10. not to be covetous – do not desire another man's house; do not desire his wife, his slaves, his cattle, his donkeys, or anything else that he owns.

If you really think you can obey the Ten Commandments In the way that GOD will accept which Is perfection then you are deceiving yourself at best and trying to put GOD on the level that man can relate equally with which Is trying to relate with GOD with your five sense knowledge on a carnal level.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Do you not think, that while we are in the flesh, that we should obey those commandments that relate to the flesh, regardless of whether we have accepted Christ or not?

After GOD has created a new spirit In those that are saved, keeping those commands that relate to the flesh will come naturally.

 

[PS]

If you really think you can obey the Ten Commandments In the way that GOD will accept which Is perfection then you are deceiving yourself at best and trying to put GOD on the level that man can relate equally with which Is trying to relate with GOD with your five sense knowledge on a carnal level.

I think I can keep the Ten Commandments by not murdering people. Neither do I wish to commit adultery, steal, or commit perjury.

Are you O.K. with doing those things?

 

[PS]

After GOD has created a new spirit In those that are saved, keeping those commands that relate to the flesh will come naturally.

So then you will be keeping the Ten Commandments!

You just said they did not apply to Christians.

 

[Endoscopy]

God's law has not changed. In fact it is stricter now, for those who are under the law, than it ever was. Compare this with the Ten Commandments and you will find it is a lot harder.

50 Commands of Christ - Summary List
1. Repent—Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3
2. Let not your heart be troubled—John 14:27, John 16:33, Matthew 6:25-26, Philippians 4:6-7
3. Follow me—Matthew 4:19
4. Rejoice—Matthew 5:12, (Also 2 Corinthians 6:10, 12:10, James 1:2-4)
5. Let your light shine—Matthew 5:16
6. Honor God’s law—Matthew 5:17-19
7. Be reconciled—Matthew 5:24-25
8. Do not commit adultery—Matthew 5:27-30
9. Keep your word—Matthew 5:33-37
10. Go the second mile—Matthew 5:38-42
11. Love your enemies—Matthew 5:44
12. Be perfect—Matthew 5:48
13. Practice secret disciplines (giving, praying, fasting)—Matthew 6:1-18
14. Lay up treasures in heaven—Matthew 6:19-21
15. Seek first the kingdom of God—Matthew 6:33
16. Judge not—Matthew 7:1-2
17. Do not throw your pearls to pigs—Matthew 7:6
18. Ask, seek, and knock—Matthew 7:7-8
19. Do unto others—Matthew 7:12
20. Choose the narrow way—Matthew 7:13-14
21. Beware of false prophets—Matthew 7:15
22. Pray for those who spread the word—Matthew 9:37-38
23. Be as shrewd as serpents—Matthew 10:16. (Also Romans 16:19)
24. Fear God. Do not fear man— Matthew 10:28 (Also Luke 12:4-5)
25. Listen to God’s voice—Matthew 11:15, 13:9, 13:43, Mark 4:23, Luke 14:35, 1 Kings 19:11-13
26.Take my yoke—Matthew 11:29
27. Honor your parents—Matthew 15:4
28. Beware of false teaching—Matthew 16:6, 11-12
29. Deny yourself—Luke 9:23 (Also Matthew 10:38 and Mark 8:34)
30. Do not despise little ones—Matthew 18:10
31. Go to Christians who offend you—Matthew 8:15 (Also Galatians 6:1)
32. Forgive offenders—Matthew 18:21-22 (Also Proverbs 19:11)
33. Beware of covetousness—Luke 12:15
34. Honor marriage—Matthew 19:6, 19:9
35. Lead by being a servant—Matthew 20:26-28
36. Make the church a house of prayer for all nations—Mark 11:17
37. Pray in faith—Matthew 21:21-22, John 15:7
38. Bring in the poor—Luke 14:12-14
39. Render unto Caesar—Matthew 22:19-21
40. Love the Lord—Matthew 22:37-38
41. Love your neighbor—Matthew 22:39
42. Be born again—John 3:7
43. Await my return—Matthew 24:42-44
44. Celebrate the Lord’s supper—Matthew 26:26-
45. Watch and pray—Matthew 26:41
46. Keep my commandments—John 14:15
47. Feed my sheep—John 21:15-16
48. Make and baptize disciples—Matthew 28:19
49. Teach disciples to obey—Matthew 28:20
50. Receive God’s power—Luke 24:49

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Bible/Commands/index.htm

What has changed is Jewish Law. For example Jewish Law requires the stoning to death of those caught in adultery. Just one example.

The trouble is, in the Old Testament God is called LORD and Baal is called LORD. Not many people realise this.

I will let you get back to me.

I go with what Jesus said about the law.

Matthew 5 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah. Maimonides counted and documented them. No one has found any more.

The 613 laws of God.
https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html

Discussion of the 613 laws of God
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

Read the law. You will find 2 major divisions, those to do and those to not do. Consider that a horizontal line and vertical lines divisions for example the men, women, everyone, place, etc. Read it and learn.

 

[Bingo]

"From this side of the 'glass'.
'Praise God'

 

[Grandpa]

I think I can keep the Ten Commandments by not murdering people. Neither do I wish to commit adultery, steal, or commit perjury.

Are you O.K. with doing those things?

Yeah, but not too many in one day. I like to spread them out over the week.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I think I can keep the Ten Commandments by not murdering people. Neither do I wish to commit adultery, steal, or commit perjury.

Are you O.K. with doing those things?

Yes of course those things are good things and If a person could do them perfectly then GOD would not have had to send HIS WORD<- - ->JESUS manifested In flesh.

I think I can keep the Ten Commandments by not murdering people. Neither do I wish to commit adultery, steal, or commit perjury.

What If someone cut you off In traffic,could you hold your tongue and not say something under your breath,maybe you could but GOD looks at the heart,could you sincerely not have a bad thought about the person that just cut you off.If you say you wouldn’t think a bad thought sometimes then I say you are deceiving yourself holding others to a standard you yourself can’t keep and being deceived AND protecting that deception.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

So then you will be keeping the Ten Commandments!

You just said they did not apply to Christians.

You are sounding like you didn’t understand my post.
We are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST unto good works that was preordained from the foundation of the world that we may walk In It.

We do these things because GOD first loved us.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yeah, but not too many in one day. I like to spread them out over the week.

LoL.

 

[Iconoclast]

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it.

Romans 8:8 - Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/sabbath-rest/ Dr Ferguson helps out Vine
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[seed_time_harvest]

I go with what Jesus said about the law.

Matthew 5 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah. Maimonides counted and documented them. No one has found any more.

The 613 laws of God.
https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html

Discussion of the 613 laws of God
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

Read the law. You will find 2 major divisions, those to do and those to not do. Consider that a horizontal line and vertical lines divisions for example the men, women, everyone, place, etc. Read it and learn.

Yes,JESUS was fully GOD and fully man,GOD IN CHRIST loves righteousness and said that HE came to fulfill the law.No man was able to keep the law perfectly and anyone who couldn’t keep It would be called least which means no way that person would make It In because of the weakness of the flesh they would come short of the glory of GOD.Whoever practices and teaches the law will be called great In heaven.
We should know that that scripture Is talking about JESUS HIMSELF because HE was the only man to ever live perfectly.

JESUS brought grace and TRUTH ushering In The New Testament.

So then either keep the law perfectly or believe the WORD of GOD.

 

[preston39]

Where did Jesus say that?

Many places and ways.
If you can't search and find them let me know. There are a number of directions.
Here are a few;

John 3;5...... Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 Peter 3;21....The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1) John 3;5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

2) Matt; 3;11... I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me .... he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

3) Matt. 3:15... John asked..."why must it be?"... And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him

4) 1 Peter 3;21... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

5) Acts 38 .....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

6) Acts 40 .....And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

7) Acts 9:14...baptism with repentance

8) Acts 9:5 Saul's baptism

 

[preston39]

If you really think you can obey the Ten Commandments In the way that GOD will accept which Is perfection then you are deceiving yourself at best and trying to put GOD on the level that man can relate equally with which Is trying to relate with GOD with your five sense knowledge on a carnal level.

G-d knows that....if we humans could do that He need not give us unlimited times of sin forgiveness.

He does expect us to improve our righteous lives...daily, I believe.