Can people be a Christian and a Karaite Jew simultaneously?
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it is just so obvious what you do in order to avoid the questions that illustrate how far you have wandered from the true gospel
but let's get back to what Jesus said. how many times did He say to forgive?
so if Jesus tells US in our mere mortal frames to forgive 70 x 7, how much more is our Father in heaven forgiving us of our sins
after all, that is the reason Jesus died in the first place!
read Galatians
it was written to people who had the same problem you suffer from and is just as relevant today
perhaps you can be cured of your obstinate refusal to simply accept the grace of God offered through the blood of Christ
perhaps you can accept and enjoy the freedom to live as God intended rather than continually scolding those who have accepted Christ and who point out to you the many errors in your belief system
religion is not God. religion is the devil's toolkit in which he puts the screws into people, constantly reminding them of sin and telling them they are not worthy so therefore, they must OBEY what has been done away with
Well, so you didn't have me on Ignore! I'm surprised. You are a liar if that's what God tells you. It isn't what I wrote, but then, such significant rewording is consistent with your pattern.
It's your choice to leave or stay. Frankly, given that you repeatedly misconstrue the words of others, and that you "preach" what for all the world looks to me like a false gospel, perhaps leaving is better, in my opinion. Your time here hasn't resulted in much other than indignation on your part. That said, I wish you well and hope that Jesus leads you into His truth.
It's your choice to leave or stay. Frankly, given that you repeatedly misconstrue the words of others, and that you "preach" what for all the world looks to me like a false gospel, perhaps leaving is better, in my opinion. Your time here hasn't resulted in much other than indignation on your part. That said, I wish you well and hope that Jesus leads you into His truth.
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Trying to PM you, you're locked down tighter than Fort Knox. I thought we were friends 
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sending you a pm..which, as you know, you respond to
but remember that all that glitters is not gold
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Legalists and Judaizers can't believe in Rest in Christ. It is a contradiction to their theology and understanding.
Working at the Law is the end all be all for legalists and judaizers.
That's fine. I just don't understand why they would call themselves Christians when they obviously have contempt for the Christian Way.
Maybe its because they KNOW they can't obey their law so they know they need some sort of sacrifice for their sin.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Working at the Law is the end all be all for legalists and judaizers.
That's fine. I just don't understand why they would call themselves Christians when they obviously have contempt for the Christian Way.
Maybe its because they KNOW they can't obey their law so they know they need some sort of sacrifice for their sin.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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Thats why they have to water down the law. And refuse to acknowledge what the law says (cursed is the one who does nto obey EVERY WORD)
But it sounds good. So the one who comes as an angel of light convinces them how great it is to believe this. And How God loves it. Just like he convinced Eve that the fruit was good for food and will nto kill. He has these people convinced the law will not kill. If they just take it and try their best..
But it sounds good. So the one who comes as an angel of light convinces them how great it is to believe this. And How God loves it. Just like he convinced Eve that the fruit was good for food and will nto kill. He has these people convinced the law will not kill. If they just take it and try their best..
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I would agree
I think it is more some cannot obey the law of faith when holding on to temporal things of this world. (mixing faith)At times its like they need to judge as some kind of confirmation as a sign gift a witness of the Spirit and call it bringing the gospel as some way or regulating hyper grace, as if there was such a thing. Grace is hyper..
We must be careful..... wrong kinds of zeal can come from good intentions. Its how Paul was before his conversion a improper zeal needed to please God. It created false pride coming from the high place(the father of lies) .
One thing I am learning is we are reminded that the better things that accompanies salvation is that God promises us he will not forget the good works we do offer towards his name by faith. He gives grace to those he has humbled. One demonstration is all that was promised .To the world one is to many and thousand not enough. Crucify Him, crucify him is the cry ..
Because it’s impossible to restore people to changed hearts and lives who turn away once they have seen the light, tasted the heavenly gift, become partners with the Holy Spirit, and tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age. They are crucifying God’s Son all over again and exposing him to public shame. The ground receives a blessing from God when it drinks up the rain that regularly comes and falls on it and yields a useful crop for those people for whom it is being farmed. But if it produces thorns and thistles, it’s useless and close to being cursed. It ends up being burned. But we are convinced of better things in your case, brothers and sisters, even though we are talking this way—things that go together with salvation. God isn’t unjust so that he forgets your efforts and the love you have shown for his name’s sake when you served and continue to serve God’s holy people. But we desperately want each of you to show the same effort to make your hope sure until the end. This is so you won’t be lazy but follow the example of the ones who inherit the promises through faith and patience.Hebrews 6:4-12
I think it is more some cannot obey the law of faith when holding on to temporal things of this world. (mixing faith)At times its like they need to judge as some kind of confirmation as a sign gift a witness of the Spirit and call it bringing the gospel as some way or regulating hyper grace, as if there was such a thing. Grace is hyper..
We must be careful..... wrong kinds of zeal can come from good intentions. Its how Paul was before his conversion a improper zeal needed to please God. It created false pride coming from the high place(the father of lies) .
One thing I am learning is we are reminded that the better things that accompanies salvation is that God promises us he will not forget the good works we do offer towards his name by faith. He gives grace to those he has humbled. One demonstration is all that was promised .To the world one is to many and thousand not enough. Crucify Him, crucify him is the cry ..
Because it’s impossible to restore people to changed hearts and lives who turn away once they have seen the light, tasted the heavenly gift, become partners with the Holy Spirit, and tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age. They are crucifying God’s Son all over again and exposing him to public shame. The ground receives a blessing from God when it drinks up the rain that regularly comes and falls on it and yields a useful crop for those people for whom it is being farmed. But if it produces thorns and thistles, it’s useless and close to being cursed. It ends up being burned. But we are convinced of better things in your case, brothers and sisters, even though we are talking this way—things that go together with salvation. God isn’t unjust so that he forgets your efforts and the love you have shown for his name’s sake when you served and continue to serve God’s holy people. But we desperately want each of you to show the same effort to make your hope sure until the end. This is so you won’t be lazy but follow the example of the ones who inherit the promises through faith and patience.Hebrews 6:4-12
That's why the others water down the "law of faith" the law that heals shown by those who believe God not seen . It is not by any work we could do.
Romans 3:27-28 (CEB) What happens to our bragging? It’s thrown out. With which law? With what we have accomplished under the Law? No, not at all, but through the "law of faith". We consider that a person is treated as righteous by faith, apart from what is accomplished under the Law.
The letter of the law yoked with the spirit of the law, the law of faith work together to form one perfect law of mercy . The just and the justfier of our new faith .
Romans 3:27-28 (CEB) What happens to our bragging? It’s thrown out. With which law? With what we have accomplished under the Law? No, not at all, but through the "law of faith". We consider that a person is treated as righteous by faith, apart from what is accomplished under the Law.
The letter of the law yoked with the spirit of the law, the law of faith work together to form one perfect law of mercy . The just and the justfier of our new faith .
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I hope you agree, Anyone who looks to any part of the law of moses as a means to see how to be a righteous person is in trouble. Because the law of moses was given to show our guilt. Not tell us how to be good, Since it was not made for that purpose.
Trying to use the law to see how to be good. Is like trying to use a munual on how to drive a car as a manual on how to fly advanced war jet. It will not work.
Trying to use the law to see how to be good. Is like trying to use a munual on how to drive a car as a manual on how to fly advanced war jet. It will not work.
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I have to agree with ya! What it seems that is not being understood? Is the difference from being saved by grace through faith in Christ? And, being "Called", and "Elected", for the Father's sake, and purposes!
The difference being? Saving grace by faith in Christ? Will not keep one safe from the 2nd death! Which is the why, those who are? See the "works" the elect perform for the sake of the Father? As being legalistic, and Judizers. Or a works FOR Salvation! Which isn't the case at all!
What I can say concerning those "works", that are seen as "works=Salvation", is that these "works" keep us exempt from the 2nd death!
As to what it takes for the Father to "call" one? I can't say, as everyone is different!
And, I also cannot say, that those who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ, are totally exempt from the 2nd death. (above my pay grade)
I can also say that one who "hears" the call, and doesn't answer it? Are no more exempt from the 2nd death, then those who are not called!
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel (even, the "scattered" spiritual Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
So, one can imagine how difficult an endeavor, and striving's, not to mention the "efforts' of working "through the flesh", of these dark pagan gentilic bodies can be, and indeed are!
As to the "monikers?" I can't condemn those who are in Christ! Just try to explain in love, that they don't know what they're talking about. Even though, they think they do.
Only thing I can offer in my own defense? Is that there are reasons why "efforts" in keeping ones' election assured, look rather Jewish, to "casual" onlookers.
The difference being? Saving grace by faith in Christ? Will not keep one safe from the 2nd death! Which is the why, those who are? See the "works" the elect perform for the sake of the Father? As being legalistic, and Judizers. Or a works FOR Salvation! Which isn't the case at all!
What I can say concerning those "works", that are seen as "works=Salvation", is that these "works" keep us exempt from the 2nd death!
As to what it takes for the Father to "call" one? I can't say, as everyone is different!
And, I also cannot say, that those who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ, are totally exempt from the 2nd death. (above my pay grade)
I can also say that one who "hears" the call, and doesn't answer it? Are no more exempt from the 2nd death, then those who are not called!
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel (even, the "scattered" spiritual Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
So, one can imagine how difficult an endeavor, and striving's, not to mention the "efforts' of working "through the flesh", of these dark pagan gentilic bodies can be, and indeed are!As to the "monikers?" I can't condemn those who are in Christ! Just try to explain in love, that they don't know what they're talking about. Even though, they think they do.
Only thing I can offer in my own defense? Is that there are reasons why "efforts" in keeping ones' election assured, look rather Jewish, to "casual" onlookers.
I have to agree with ya! What it seems that is not being understood? Is the difference from being saved by grace through faith in Christ? And, being "Called", and "Elected", for the Father's sake, and purposes!
The difference being? Saving grace by faith in Christ? Will not keep one safe from the 2nd death! Which is the why, those who are? See the "works" the elect perform for the sake of the Father? As being legalistic, and Judizers. Or a works FOR Salvation! Which isn't the case at all!
What I can say concerning those "works", that are seen as "works=Salvation", is that these "works" keep us exempt from the 2nd death!
As to what it takes for the Father to "call" one? I can't say, as everyone is different!
And, I also cannot say, that those who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ, are totally exempt from the 2nd death. (above my pay grade)
I can also say that one who "hears" the call, and doesn't answer it? Are no more exempt from the 2nd death, then those who are not called!
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel (even, the "scattered" spiritual Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
So, one can imagine how difficult an endeavor, and striving's, not to mention the "efforts' of working "through the flesh", of these dark pagan gentilic bodies can be, and indeed are!
As to the "monikers?" I can't condemn those who are in Christ! Just try to explain in love, that they don't know what they're talking about. Even though, they think they do.
Only thing I can offer in my own defense? Is that there are reasons why "efforts" in keeping ones' election assured, look rather Jewish, to "casual" onlookers.
The difference being? Saving grace by faith in Christ? Will not keep one safe from the 2nd death! Which is the why, those who are? See the "works" the elect perform for the sake of the Father? As being legalistic, and Judizers. Or a works FOR Salvation! Which isn't the case at all!
What I can say concerning those "works", that are seen as "works=Salvation", is that these "works" keep us exempt from the 2nd death!
As to what it takes for the Father to "call" one? I can't say, as everyone is different!
And, I also cannot say, that those who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ, are totally exempt from the 2nd death. (above my pay grade)
I can also say that one who "hears" the call, and doesn't answer it? Are no more exempt from the 2nd death, then those who are not called!
2 Peter 1
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Romans 11
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel (even, the "scattered" spiritual Israel), until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
So, one can imagine how difficult an endeavor, and striving's, not to mention the "efforts' of working "through the flesh", of these dark pagan gentilic bodies can be, and indeed are!As to the "monikers?" I can't condemn those who are in Christ! Just try to explain in love, that they don't know what they're talking about. Even though, they think they do.
Only thing I can offer in my own defense? Is that there are reasons why "efforts" in keeping ones' election assured, look rather Jewish, to "casual" onlookers.
I also am not able to understand about how people can separate faith, deeds, and saved by grace. I agree, working for the Lord with our deeds is in thanks to the Lord, faith in His word, loving the Lord among other things and completely separate from thinking you can achieve equality with God by deeds. As I read about Lucifer or Satin, that is what he did.
But what I think of as Karaite Jewish is Jew ways but eliminating what rabbis added to their ways. It is OT without Jesus, and no Christian can, in their wildest imaginations, live without Christ in their life. So another way of saying this is to live with both Christ and the OT as a vital part of their living. Can this be done?
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how in the entire universe you come up with 'I am positioning myself against repentance' is beyond the knowledge I have worked at achieving
I think you might have an imaginary friend interpreting for you or something
you do manage to consistently respond with what no one actually said but you decided was a good replacement for what they actually said
that tire needs new tred
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Guess I'll start with the end of your post first, in trying to unravel "this phenomena", we both seem to be to be going through, more er less.
You certainly have a way of sneaking up on this subject, as if approaching it too quickly might scare it away.
Well? The good news is? Nah! You ain't gonna scare it away!
"Can this be done?" "to live with both Christ and the OT as a vital part of their living?" AYE! Young lady! Although, when Yeshua Messiah returns? He'll not have "cushions" on that "rod of iron", in "softening the blows" that shall be taught and learned, that one's like us employ at this current time.
So not only "CAN this be done?" This SHALL BE DONE!
It seems you may be "struggling" in comprehending the "forever" part of being a Priest forever after the order of Melchizadek. Yet? This is what happens, the closer one gets in being formed in the image of Christ! For He also is a Priest after the order of Melchizadek. Tis a tough reality for these finite vessels we inhabit, to come to grips with. While at the same time, not being sucked into not wanting to leave, while we are still here sucking air, so to speak. We can read from Paul, that he had this problem as well.
And, yeah? As long as we're on "this side" of this current heaven/earth age, and satan, has not been locked into the abyss? His "SIN", is always present and tempts us AT EVERY TURN!
And, as we can see how "fallen" this world has become, and see that it ain't gettin' no better? Only worse? Many Christians take the "rest" that comes in accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior, like the "free parking" spot on a Monopoly board, and "pass the dice" every time it comes their turn to move! Welcome to the "Jonah Syndrome!" Don't let my analogy of a simple board game, give cause for one to think, it's really that simple. Cuz, it's a lot more complex, and complicated then that.
On the other hand? We cannot allow for those in Christ's "rest", and their unwillingness to leave? Diminish the work that is set before us!
You certainly have a way of sneaking up on this subject, as if approaching it too quickly might scare it away.
Well? The good news is? Nah! You ain't gonna scare it away!
"Can this be done?" "to live with both Christ and the OT as a vital part of their living?" AYE! Young lady! Although, when Yeshua Messiah returns? He'll not have "cushions" on that "rod of iron", in "softening the blows" that shall be taught and learned, that one's like us employ at this current time.
So not only "CAN this be done?" This SHALL BE DONE!
It seems you may be "struggling" in comprehending the "forever" part of being a Priest forever after the order of Melchizadek. Yet? This is what happens, the closer one gets in being formed in the image of Christ! For He also is a Priest after the order of Melchizadek. Tis a tough reality for these finite vessels we inhabit, to come to grips with. While at the same time, not being sucked into not wanting to leave, while we are still here sucking air, so to speak. We can read from Paul, that he had this problem as well.
And, yeah? As long as we're on "this side" of this current heaven/earth age, and satan, has not been locked into the abyss? His "SIN", is always present and tempts us AT EVERY TURN!
And, as we can see how "fallen" this world has become, and see that it ain't gettin' no better? Only worse? Many Christians take the "rest" that comes in accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior, like the "free parking" spot on a Monopoly board, and "pass the dice" every time it comes their turn to move! Welcome to the "Jonah Syndrome!"
Don't let my analogy of a simple board game, give cause for one to think, it's really that simple. Cuz, it's a lot more complex, and complicated then that.On the other hand? We cannot allow for those in Christ's "rest", and their unwillingness to leave? Diminish the work that is set before us!
I asked someone if they believed in repentance when they take their sins to Christ. Here is what you have said about that: I avoid answering questions, I have wandered from the gospel, I have an obstinate refusal to accept grace, my belief system is in error, and you suggest I study Galatians. I wonder, do you think Paul was against asking anyone about repentance?
This!! in response to mentioning repentance.
This!! in response to mentioning repentance.
Like in every case words recorded as God's thoughts must be defined so that we can have the spiritual understanding in tended by the one author and finisher of our new born again faith. . To repent is a work of God that works by faith in us as always, first works first.
Repentance is a form of comforting our consoling oneself. To repent is a work of God that comes from hearing His voice our source of faith. . His voice turns us towards his own person so that we can repent in response to the voice that is turning us.
In Jerimiah God uses a bullock to represent unconverted mankind unaccustomed to hearing the gospel basically praying to God that he perform the first work giving ears to hear what the unseen spirt ids declaring as prophecy .I would offer Jeremiah 31 to define what it means to repent.
Jeremiah 31:18-20 King James Version (KJV) I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the Lord.
If you have no one to do the first work to turn a person, hoping a persons imagination could .Just shows they have nothing to turn them with, no faith.
Repent and do the first works...... believe the will of God.
Repentance is a form of comforting our consoling oneself. To repent is a work of God that comes from hearing His voice our source of faith. . His voice turns us towards his own person so that we can repent in response to the voice that is turning us.
In Jerimiah God uses a bullock to represent unconverted mankind unaccustomed to hearing the gospel basically praying to God that he perform the first work giving ears to hear what the unseen spirt ids declaring as prophecy .I would offer Jeremiah 31 to define what it means to repent.
Jeremiah 31:18-20 King James Version (KJV) I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the Lord.
If you have no one to do the first work to turn a person, hoping a persons imagination could .Just shows they have nothing to turn them with, no faith.
Repent and do the first works...... believe the will of God.