Retire the Ten Commandments?
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The New Testament includes the law but in a new spiritual way. 2 Cor. 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."
When Christ gave the Beatitudes (Matt. 5-7) He was expounding on the true spiritual way to keep His laws. Start keeping the laws and see if you don't grow.
When Christ gave the Beatitudes (Matt. 5-7) He was expounding on the true spiritual way to keep His laws. Start keeping the laws and see if you don't grow.
I generally agree It’s just that the Old Testament IS a part of our history and should be respected.I know you and me honor the Old Testament seeing how we were both once under law.
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There is a tremendous change in the world since the 40"S. The holocaust and the Jews going back to their land and the deep sea scrolls found that showed older scriptures. Writings they found opened up understanding of ancient times and gave keys to ancient languages. The new scripture translations are because of that knowledge that bible scholars found.
Before this knowledge the best we could have for scripture was the KJV, and that version was written 1,500 years after Christ and at a time Christianity was so backward that many murdered Jews and said it was a good thing to do. Even Luther said so. They even translated the word for Passover as Easter, a word unknown at the time of Christ.
Before this knowledge the best we could have for scripture was the KJV, and that version was written 1,500 years after Christ and at a time Christianity was so backward that many murdered Jews and said it was a good thing to do. Even Luther said so. They even translated the word for Passover as Easter, a word unknown at the time of Christ.
We only need three things of understanding from scripture to receive eternal salvation;
1 Repentance
2 Baptism
3 Live a righteous life according to G-d's commandments.
What has any of the points you are using to justify interpretive changes in scriptures which has anything to do with those three points?
Let alone needing to produce a new edition of the bible.
Nobody is saying to ditch the entire covenants of God. The New Testament is a continuation of the Old Testament and everything that is good and right in the Old Testament is repeated in the New Testament with added emphasis. Read the whole of the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5, 6, and 7 and you will see that what is good in the Old Testament, remains forever enshrined in the New Testament.
Is that what you got out of this scripture? (try again)
Hebrews 8:13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:13
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
I enjoy this particular conversation because it hits on something I struggled with for a while. I think for me the best way to explain this is by using two keywords, descriptive and prescriptive.
There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. However, the Word of God makes it clear that the commands in themselves are not able to make me right before God.
Romans 8:3
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
So we know that the law is unable to save us.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
As we read the commands of God "Thou shalt not covet" sin is revived and we die.
Romans 7:9
I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.
This is explained in Romans 5:13
for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Therefore, the proclamation of the law made the evil deeds of the people increasingly sinful. So we see how the law itself was given to manifest sin, and the Law was a guardian to lead us down the path to Christ.
Now that Christ has come, and now that the true faith has been revealed, we have no need for a guardian. A born again Christian will do good works because he or she is born again.
The Law - Prescriptive for any who follow it.
Prescriptive means that I MUST do this in order to sustain my relationship with God.
The Law - Descriptive of Christ and anyone in him.
Descriptive means that I WILL do this because I HAVE a relationship with God through Christ Jesus our Lord and faith in his finished work.
The Law is binding for all those who follow after it. The law is also descriptive of a saved believer who is indwelled by the spirit of God.
The New Covenant is not the Old Covenant. This is not simply a continuation of things. A change has occured.
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
Hebrews 8:8 - 12
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”
The fulfillment of the law is this, to love God with all of your heart, mind, and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. This behavior issues out of a cleansed heart and the working of God in a believers life. Through Grace are we saved, that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God lest any man should boast.
We will love God and others, not because tablets of stone command us to, but because the work God has done and continues to do in the process of sanctification.
There is nothing wrong with the Ten Commandments. However, the Word of God makes it clear that the commands in themselves are not able to make me right before God.
Romans 8:3
For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,
So we know that the law is unable to save us.
Romans 3:20
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
As we read the commands of God "Thou shalt not covet" sin is revived and we die.
Romans 7:9
I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died.
This is explained in Romans 5:13
for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Therefore, the proclamation of the law made the evil deeds of the people increasingly sinful. So we see how the law itself was given to manifest sin, and the Law was a guardian to lead us down the path to Christ.
Now that Christ has come, and now that the true faith has been revealed, we have no need for a guardian. A born again Christian will do good works because he or she is born again.
The Law - Prescriptive for any who follow it.
Prescriptive means that I MUST do this in order to sustain my relationship with God.
The Law - Descriptive of Christ and anyone in him.
Descriptive means that I WILL do this because I HAVE a relationship with God through Christ Jesus our Lord and faith in his finished work.
The Law is binding for all those who follow after it. The law is also descriptive of a saved believer who is indwelled by the spirit of God.
The New Covenant is not the Old Covenant. This is not simply a continuation of things. A change has occured.
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
Hebrews 8:8 - 12
I will put my laws into their minds,
and write them on their hearts,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.”
The fulfillment of the law is this, to love God with all of your heart, mind, and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. This behavior issues out of a cleansed heart and the working of God in a believers life. Through Grace are we saved, that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God lest any man should boast.
We will love God and others, not because tablets of stone command us to, but because the work God has done and continues to do in the process of sanctification.
I liked most of your post, but this gave me pause. (should I say something, or let it go?) Say something.
Were the TCs "engraved in letters on stone"?
If so, the Apostle tells us that they are the transitory ministry
that brought condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills.
Other than that, as you said, there is nothing wrong with them.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Were the TCs "engraved in letters on stone"?
If so, the Apostle tells us that they are the transitory ministry
that brought condemnation and death that has no glory now. The letter kills.
Other than that, as you said, there is nothing wrong with them.
2 Corinthians 3:6-11
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!
Sketch, I have made a special study of covenants for that is the way the Lord communicates with us, and I find nothing to say that God takes back anything that God tells us of. I find as i read scripture that the fact that God is eternal and does not change is basic to all scripture. Now, there is a change we are told of, so I look at how and why because now we know something is getting old and of no use any more and is obsolete.
Because there is an eternal fact of God that there is no change and God is eternal, we have to fit in that something changed. God doesn't say that the entire way God has of relating to us has changed, but something is old and of no use any more. So I look for what has gotten old, and that is using animal blood, the Levi priesthood, the temple in Jerusalem.
I do not think that God completely changed all of the ways God relates to us, God is still eternal.
Because there is an eternal fact of God that there is no change and God is eternal, we have to fit in that something changed. God doesn't say that the entire way God has of relating to us has changed, but something is old and of no use any more. So I look for what has gotten old, and that is using animal blood, the Levi priesthood, the temple in Jerusalem.
I do not think that God completely changed all of the ways God relates to us, God is still eternal.