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Last time I checked it was Christ doing the work through us as a living sacrifice and why ALL GLORY GOES TO CHRIST.......who produces the fruit....the ROOT or the BRANCHES..........see with your dogma you produce the fruit instead of the ROOT......you totally devalue Jesus......
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Interesting concept.
A person is "in trouble" for wanting to please God.
Incredible.
Go read a post by @Argueless a few times.
Something just might sink in....
no. 90,187.
A person is "in trouble" for wanting to please God.
Incredible.
Go read a post by @Argueless a few times.
Something just might sink in....
no. 90,187.
Interesting concept.
A person is "in trouble" for wanting to please God.
Incredible.
Go read a post by @Argueless a few times.
Something just might sink in....
no. 90,187.
A person is "in trouble" for wanting to please God.
Incredible.
Go read a post by @Argueless a few times.
Something just might sink in....
no. 90,187.
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Cute sayings you've heard somewhere.
The Holy Spirit was sent to help us do our works.
So what fruit have YOU produced with the help of the Holy Spirit?:
Galatians 5:22.....
The Holy Spirit was sent to help us do our works.
So what fruit have YOU produced with the help of the Holy Spirit?:
Galatians 5:22.....
- Faithfulness
- Self-Control
- Patience
- Goodness
- Gentleness
- Joy
- Kindness
- Peace
- Love
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...Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but THE SAME GOD WORKS ALL OF THEM IN ALL MEN. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. ALL THESE ARE THE WORK OF ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT, and he gives them to each one, just as HE DETERMINES. 1 Corinthians 12:1-11
...Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and WILL EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN'S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For WHO MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? ...Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOT A MATTER OF TALK BUT OF POWER.
1 Corinthians 4:5-7,18-20
...Therefore JUDGE NOTHING BEFORE THE APPOINTED TIME; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and WILL EXPOSE THE MOTIVES OF MEN'S HEARTS. At that time each will receive his praise from God. Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “DO NOT GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. For WHO MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not? ...Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NOT A MATTER OF TALK BUT OF POWER.
1 Corinthians 4:5-7,18-20
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Good works profit us nothing.....
I rest my case.
Here....AGAIN. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE these verses SPEAK OF LOVE....
The N.T. teaches us to do good works.........and to LOVE GOD....and our neighbor...and good works is a way to show our love for our neighbor.
THIS is salvation.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
I rest my case.
Here....AGAIN. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE these verses SPEAK OF LOVE....
The N.T. teaches us to do good works.........and to LOVE GOD....and our neighbor...and good works is a way to show our love for our neighbor.
THIS is salvation.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
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IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS
Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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romans 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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we are saved by grace through faith....
and when we (born again sons and daughters of God)
are judged
we will also be judged by the same standard as EVERYONE
the difference between the saved
and unsaved
is the unsaved have their own righteousness that they will be judged by
those covered by the sacrifice of Jesus will be judged by His in regards to salvation...
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TO ALL WHO BELIEVE
Acts 13:39
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
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John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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BEING BORN FROM ABOVE PRODUCES SONS, NOT PRETENDERS WHO STOP BELIEVING
hebrews 10
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us
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Talk is cheap.
Post some scripture to support your position.
You said GOOD WORKS KEEP NO ONE SAVED.
Prove it. Show how we're saved NO MATTER WHAT,,,and how good works are NOT a part of Christianity.
And while you're at it...please save all of us a lot of time and try to remember what BELIEVE means.....
Post some scripture to support your position.
You said GOOD WORKS KEEP NO ONE SAVED.
Prove it. Show how we're saved NO MATTER WHAT,,,and how good works are NOT a part of Christianity.
And while you're at it...please save all of us a lot of time and try to remember what BELIEVE means.....
I read it already.
You have NO SUPPORT for your position.
The verses above are speaking of PRESENT TENSE BELIEVING.
They are speaking of BELIEVING, which I repeat, few understand what it even means.
They are speaking of the Law of Moses....the TORAH. I don't know anyone that keeps the Torah (although some Christians attempt this).
Jesus will lose NOTHING but raise what God has saved on the last day. This is more complicated than this...but what's the use? You should study this.
They went out from us BECAUSE THEY WERE GNOSTICS....find out about how John was very concerned with that sect.
The promise is heaven. What are you waiting for??? Rewards?
God would like for us to be righteous....in Him...but righteous. Which only means RIGHT WITH GOD.
Are we right with God when we state obeying Him is not necessary?
We are JUSTIFIED,,,but are we SANCTIFIED...and does one cancel out the other also?
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You have NO SUPPORT for your position.
The verses above are speaking of PRESENT TENSE BELIEVING.
They are speaking of BELIEVING, which I repeat, few understand what it even means.
They are speaking of the Law of Moses....the TORAH. I don't know anyone that keeps the Torah (although some Christians attempt this).
Jesus will lose NOTHING but raise what God has saved on the last day. This is more complicated than this...but what's the use? You should study this.
They went out from us BECAUSE THEY WERE GNOSTICS....find out about how John was very concerned with that sect.
The promise is heaven. What are you waiting for??? Rewards?
God would like for us to be righteous....in Him...but righteous. Which only means RIGHT WITH GOD.
Are we right with God when we state obeying Him is not necessary?
We are JUSTIFIED,,,but are we SANCTIFIED...and does one cancel out the other also?
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OK. I took care of your verses....
Now you take care of mine please.
Show me what the following mean, like I did to yours.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
OK. I took care of your verses....
Now you take care of mine please.
Show me what the following mean, like I did to yours.
Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.
Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,
Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...
James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.
Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,
Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.
James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,
James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
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I only need one verse, however here are two which state it plain as day...................
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
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