Not By Works

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

Good works profit us nothing.....
I rest my case.

Here....AGAIN. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE these verses SPEAK OF LOVE....
The N.T. teaches us to do good works.........and to LOVE GOD....and our neighbor...and good works is a way to show our love for our neighbor.
THIS is salvation.

Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...

James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.

Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,

Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.

James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

You have no case to rest....what you said to him was false....and again you prove your lack of honesty.....

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Oh my.

What about Ephesians 2:10?

You really need to learn about sanctification...
The above verse (1st) has to do with JUSTIFICATION.
And, of course, the verse is correct....as all verses are.
We are justified by grace through the vehicle of faith.

How do we get sanctified?

Romans 11:6
Works refer to works of the Law. Do you THINK Paul means good works we do after all those verses I've posted at least 6 or 7 times?

And read also a little further.... Romans 11:21-22
21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

Spot on?

Please go explain all those works verses I posted...
If you can .....
I say this because rarely is this done on here.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Right D,

Just make comments and don't ever answer a question.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

If you check, you'll see that I explained every one.

Are you going to explain my works verses?

And did you think I thought YOU wrote them?
see...so much wasted time on wasted words.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Not one of them had anything to do with working to maintain or gain salvation....
boom took care of the verses🙄

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

Petey......your words = zero......another one peddling self over Christ while breaking the rules......and I attack her dogma...get your facts straight

UnderGrace · Feb 28, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

There is no theology to argue, can you not see that, what you teach is not even in scripture.

Your doctrine is foreign to scripture;

Good works will save me

I must be perfect like Christ to be saved

I can save myself

When you have biblical doctrine then there will be something to discuss.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

They never do....she cannot help but conflate and then spread on a thick layer of dishonesty when called on her false I keep myself saved error

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

I don't think God would agree with you.

You should read them carefully,,,along with all the salvation verses....
And there are plenty.

For your own good.
God does not change and is the same God that told Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit and then banished him from the Garden when he did.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Amen...half the time I do not know whether to laugh or shake my head at the utter nonsense some of these people post ...

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Dishonesty.
That's personal and does not address "my" dogma, but me personally.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Many have answered and so have I, like back when you were Fran before you got banned by your totally contrary actions....go back and read and then explain to all how we should take you serious...when you peddle obeying while being in disobedience......and then expect us to believe that keeps you saved.....

UnderGrace · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Agreed.

It affects others as we have seen .... this is worrisome

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

When I address something you say that is false to another member and you switch gears and context to throw the yoke off and misdirect Fran....that = dishonesty....and make no mistake you are one of the top preformers......

NoNameMcgee · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

honestly brother

my heart is heavy today

there is a lot going on in my life and i came here for fellowship when i saw the horrible thing new pete said about TT

started my day out even worse but i went to prayer and listened to some scripture at work then tried to talk peacefully.. only to be treated like an idiot
...

but regardless

i hope everyone here sees what a blessing it is to have such a merciful and loving and forgiving and wise and just God

i just want to give thanks

all my hardships
and health issues
and financial troubles
and enemies....

these are a drop in the oceans of blessings God has given me out of His love and His grace

i pray all of you have a blessed day filled with love and opportunity to be useful to our loving Father

He is wonderful

and i stand by the fact i deserve no credit

and any He gives me come judgement is a blessing in itself

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Oh I agree........makes me sick....the way they devalue Christ and enthrone self.....

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

I hear ya brother.....those you can trust are being whittled down every day.......and for sure the truth is being corrupted on all sides by very religious people that have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof by their false dogmas.....

FollowHisSteps · Feb 28, 2019

UnderGrace said:

I am sorry UG

If one has over a million believer following a theology, which is documented, written out, it is simply not true
to claim this is not in scripture. The reason why you talk the way you do is because you do not know what
people or why they believe it. So unfortunately anything else is disingenous of the people you are talking
about. Are you prepared to start to be honest, and learn what people are saying and why they are saying it?

What your language leads us to is just shouting. Bit embarrising that is all you have got.

Good works will save me - that is not my belief
I must be perfect like Christ to be saved - that is not my belief
I can save myself - that is not my belief

So you come up empty. Now take one theological point about Prevenient grace, Justifying Grace, Sanctifying Grace.
Then say why you disagree with the different aspects. We can work with this, and it makes some sense.
Putting up ideas that are not connected does not work, nor get my interaction or agreement.

It suggests to me you just desire a straw man, and then claim it fails.

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