Not By Works

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

Hi H,

Your above post gives me a lot to say.
I hope you follow along....

1. What you're experiencing is conviction of the Holy Spirit, which I believe you know what this is.
Once we know Jesus and what He would want from us, the Holy Spirit, which He sent not to condemn us but to be our helper, will tell us that we're doing something wrong. We can consider this to be sin in God's eyes and also in ours. We realize we have sinned....we ask God's forgiveness out of respect for Him because we've hurt our relationship with Him....and then we continue on; hoping to do better in the future. You'll find that as your walk with God progresses, you will get better and better at keeping a good relationship with God. We are human and we will fail at times...John addresses this problem in his 1st letter.

2. Your post teaches us an important lesson: We cannot even trust our own conscience! Our conscience does not always tell us the truth. This can be seen in secular persons that steal from stores and don't even feel guilty about it.

We can only trust our conscience when it is properly taught....We must be taught what is right and wrong and then God will give us a pure conscience so we can know when we do wrong...so if we do it, at least we can ask forgiveness and He is faithful and just to forgive us our since since we have an advocate with the Father....Jesus, His Son.

3. This is why I say that Calvinism is not correct theology. If you said the above to John Piper (I think you must know who this is) he would tell you right out that you're lost and are not one of the chosen lucky ones. I know this because I heard him say this to a crying girl with my own ears. He offered her no comfort because in that theology there is no comfort to offer. You're either chosen or your not...and if you don't show any gifts,,,,you are assumed to be not saved and you just THINK you are.

4. Happily for us,,God is a loving God, a Just God and a merciful God. He gives to everyone the opportunity to accept salvation. He said in Deuteronomy: I offer you this day death and life...choose life. This means that it is OUR CHOICE to choose God and to be saved. Amen. Thank you Lord.

All it takes is for you to WILL and WANT to be saved....and you will be.
This is why it's important to understand what the word BELIEVE means....
To believe in Jesus does not mean to just "accept" Him as Savior, as is commonly called...
It means to believe in Him as your Lord and Savior....to trust in Him....to follow Him and become a disciple of His.

So we have to learn how to follow Him and how to become a disciple...
A disciple is just someone that learns from his MASTER. Lord means Master.

And remember Romans 8:28....
God works all together for the good to those that love Him.
You've recognized a fault in yourself...God has used it to bring you closer to Him.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

TruthTalk said:

This is tiring TT.

When YOU are perfect and sinless....
please come back and tell all of us what sinners we are.

Mathew 7:5

My mother used to tell me:
If you have nothing good to say,
don't say anything.

Good advice.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

If you telling people they're going to hell is acceptable...then what is your complaint?

You've said it to me MANY TIMES.
And, unlike a little cry-baby...
I never reported you.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

NoNameMcgee said:

Amen.....To see the massive glowing neon signs of false dogma--->>> all one has to do is read the drivel she posts and it becomes all to obvious......a self saving dogma void of truth..........

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

This is not what Paul said.
You mislead people....

Romans 6:1-6
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Fran....seeing how you were banned once.....you really have no place to say the above.....the simple fact that you remain here posting the drivel that you post about losing salvation and or maintaining salvation by obedience is a joke while you break the rules of this site...........how can anyone take you serious, or Petey for that matter....or Seoche.....you all break the rules and then peddle to us that one must keep the rules to remain saved......rather idiotic to say the least!!

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

All one has to do is read the N.T......

Which I believe some here do not really read....
but translate to their liking.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Fran....seeing how you were banned once.....you really have no place to say the above.....the simple fact that you remain here posting the drivel that you post about losing salvation and or maintaining salvation by obedience is a joke while you break the rules of this site...........how can anyone take you serious, or Petey for that matter....or Seoche.....you all break the rules and then peddle to us that one must keep the rules to remain saved......rather idiotic to say the least!!

Ditto.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Fran....lying does not help you stay saved....oh wait....you have to believe the gospel to be saved.....take it up with the bible...it condemns your false dogma!!

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

This is not what Paul said.
You mislead people....

Romans 6:1-6
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death?
4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,
6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin;

Nothing you peddle has value.....you break the rules of this site.....and by your own dogma of an obedience laced false salvation....not looking good Fran!!

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

I have never been banned Fran.....honesty seems to allude your doctrine!!

FollowHisSteps · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

What have you actually reported?
That I am concerned for a brother who considers me "sugar coated flowery sweet counterfeit gospel"

What matters is how we approach Gods word and His gospel.

As you seem to agree with TT, do you condemn the Nazarene church?
Because the gospel I hold with is their gospel.

It so happens this is the gospel of grace101 as well.
So let us walk in the light, and not hide, or miss-lead or appear to be one thing while being another.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

The Nazarene church is a great church....I attended one for about 10 years.
I hope it's still the same...

Good solid teaching....
Plain and simple teaching of God's word...
I can't remember one doctrine they teach that I still would not agree with.

God's word...plain and simple.

FollowHisSteps · Feb 28, 2019

Brothers and sisters in Christ, there is much confusion on threads like this and people easily
hide their true positions while defaming others.

So look up what the theology of the Nazarene Church is, and bring here what are your problems with it.
If you cannot, you should stop and help silence the false attacks and accusations that are flying
about, because they are unseemly for the people of God and His glorious gospel of salvation.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Reading this is proof im not even saved and have been self-deceived!

Which one of the fruits do I exhibit?

Just look at the stuff I write on this forum, nothing but slander critique and negativity most of the time! I'll mix it up with some positivity occasionally, but OUT OF THE ABUDANCE OF THE HEART the mouth speaks (or types in this case!)

I got an evil heart thats full of hatred for people I deem faulty someway, WHILE being absolutely messed up myself. HYPOCRITE. Just look what I did previously when followhissteps posted that hillsong praise song. I looked at it, I thought in my mind "wow, these guys are soft and effeminate looking". Then I remembered all the weird stuff they do in Hillsong churches and I had to just type something negative, I COULDNT HELP MYSELF. I just had to insult them. Then after I do that i'll pray the Lord to bless them and tell Him im sorry, ONLY TO DO IT AGAIN like the rotten dog I am!

Lord help me

If you believe the drivel she posts, no one is saved......you would be wise to dismiss her self maintained salvations drivel and keep your eye on Jesus....she will lead you astray!

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

gb9 said:

Amen......such are the ways of the Pharisees.......logs in their own eyes and joining forces with their enemies in an attempt to defraud the truth....Pharisees n Sadduccees......if you get my drift....

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Yes Stone.
I understand...you only like certain verses that agree with your comfort zone.

Maybe if you could get past IT IS FINISHED you could actually learn something new.

BTW, a good study on IT IS FINISHED would do you some good too.
It can't mean different things to different people...
It only means ONE THING.
And it's NOT that JESUS DID IT ALL FOR YOU......
and YOU get to do nothing.

A reminder:

Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.

Colossians 3:17
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Titus 2:7-9
Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us. Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

Philippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Galatians 5:19-26
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. ...

James 1:27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

Titus 3:14
And let our people learn to devote themselves to good works, so as to help cases of urgent need, and not be unfruitful.

Colossians 3:23
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,

Micah 6:8
He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Matthew 6:1
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.

3 John 1:11
Beloved, do not imitate evil but imitate good. Whoever does good is from God; whoever does evil has not seen God.

James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

1 Timothy 6:18
They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

dcontroversal said:

There might be a few persons here not saved....
who am I to judge...

But I know that @Hevosmies is not one of them...
and if he does NOT listen to you....he just may remain saved.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2019

UnderGrace said:

I agree.......crazy...

GodsGrace101 · Feb 28, 2019

gb9 said:

Please tag me when you speak of me.
And you constantly break the commandment:
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

And Paul did say that those with the Holy Spirit indwelling in them will show the following gifts:

Faithfulness
Self-Control
Patience
Goodness
Gentleness
Joy
Kindness
Peace
Love

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