Woman asks The Lord "Will Church Go To Tribulation or not" God's Answer is Clear - A MUST HEAR!

[stillness]

Thanks Ahwatukee for explaining the difference, I lack patience with those who think they already know and have stopped learning. 3 years ago the Lord told me: I don't need your help. What I understood is that until we walk in Love we are nothing and don't get past what we think we know. God doesn't permit the proud to go on to perfection.

 

[resto]

If The Body Of Christ(The Church) is here for the 7 years of Tribulation, it must mean, God Judges "The Righteous With The Wicked". He Told Abraham That He doesn't do that. The 7 Years of Tribulation is Gods Wrath Poured out on the Wicked. If The Body Of Christ is here for the 7 Years of Tribulation, Then Jesus Sacrifice was not enough and it is not "Paid In Full". Think about that. Theologically, that's what a person is saying, if they don't think there is a "Pre Trib Rapture". Noah did not experience Gods Wrath, Lot didn't either. For God to Pour out Wrath on His Church, it would mean Christ wasn't enough. Im not buying. I do remember reading in Revelation that Christ told a Church that they would go through the Tribulation(because they wouldn't repent of Idol Worship) Guess Who, He told another that they would not. He said He would Open a Door That no one can shut, for them to pass through. Rev 4 Vs 1, this is that door.

 

[CS1]

"Judgment must begin at the house of God." Some were tortured not compromising to accept deliverance that they may attain a better resurrection." Those who think they know, that they already have a crown of life, are either puffed up by their fleshly mind as babes in Christ or have died from persecution and were sent back, brought back to life like Paul, and know they have a crown of life? But I'm not interested in debates as to where your coming from, you give the impression that you know = you give the impression that you don't know as you should: that you have stopped learning. There is not much point you continuing to say so.
Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign--and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you!

The judgement does beginning at the House of the Lord but the Great Tribulation like to world has never seen is not on the Saints it's on a world who rejected God.

 

[stillness]

The judgement does beginning at the House of the Lord but the Great Tribulation like to world has never seen is not on the Saints it's on a world who rejected God.

Someone just explained here that the time of trouble such as never was: the great tribulation, is not the same as the wrath of God.

But that Jesus is angry and spiting out the lukewarm who think they know Him but don't, and wont repent. Jesus said he would do this in Revelation 3:15 This man saw Jesus returning to earth angry <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjEPqJcSV_I>

This is part of the interpretation of His dream:
To be seated with the Lord, is to enter into rest, to turn our will to the will of God, it's relevant that you have to get past your fear to be there, in the will of God we don't decide the outcome. The Lord is calling us to a place of maturity in Him. Also the Lord is spitting out the lukewarm self confident as they cant follow Him in that condition.

Part of the interpretation of His second dream
You asking the Lord: Lord what's your will for my life, and waking up is the interpretation. If we are not awake spiritually, we are an illusion. Rejoice always, pray continually, in everything give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you." You asked the meaning of the crown of thorns: being rejected by those desiring control.

 

[Jackson123]

the tribulation is God s Judgement on the earth if you are subject to that judgment that is you. I am not as the Word says I have passed from Judgement unto life.

Great tribulation is not God judgement, tribulation was happen to the early Christian, Stephen was stone to dead, It is not God judgement, It is an honor,

Acts 5:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.

Great tribulation is similar to what happen to Stephen, not God judgement but God honor

We are not worthy but counted as worthy.

Matt 5

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

It is hard to understand why rejoice for persecution, but It is Athena teaching of Jesus.

I and you do not want to be oN earth in the great persecution or tribulation. We rejoice when there isn't persecution because we do not want suffer for Him. But apostle oN act 5 love Jesus with all their heart, that is why they rejoice because was permitted to suffer for God.

For me, (low in faith) persecution is scary, for apostle persecution is Joy bearer.

We expect free from great tribulation, but I believe there are a group of strong Christian that not afraid of great persecution in contrary this group are looking for and expect to be count as worthy to suffer for the Zlord

 

[Jackson123]

Some people great tribulation is God judgement. Is tha true?

Let analyze.

What is the meaning of punishment from government?

Mean government punish,

The punishment come from government.

Rev 13 say If one not take the mark of the beast, It Will be punish.

Who punish ?

Did God punish people that not take the mark? No

So great tribulation is not God judgement It is devil judgement.

Stephen and other apostle experience devil judgement, but there Will be greater devil judgement for 7 years, greater than early Christian judgement. To be honest, for me it is scary, but i do not want to Lie to my self and say God Will protect me from the persecution, God permited persecution happen to Stephen, but not for me.

 

[Lanolin]

Hmm is trial the same as tribulation. Did Jesus experience that, well yes the crucifixtion.
Do we? Not sure, but the apostles did many of them were matryed.

Is it more like a refiners fire, sorting out those who are faithful to those who are lukewarm or doubleminded. Expect our faith to be really tested, because satan really doesnt want christians to win.

With the seven years tribulation thing, well interestingly i heard the catholics believe that it takes seven years for someone to go through purgatory. Which seems to be their version of tribulation.

 

[Jackson123]

Hmm is trial the same as tribulation. Did Jesus experience that, well yes the crucifixtion.
Do we? Not sure, but the apostles did many of them were matryed.

Is it more like a refiners fire, sorting out those who are faithful to those who are lukewarm or doubleminded. Expect our faith to be really tested, because satan really doesnt want christians to win.

With the seven years tribulation thing, well interestingly i heard the catholics believe that it takes seven years for someone to go through purgatory. Which seems to be their version of tribulation.

Interesting. I never heard that catholic believe purgatory for 7 years

I google the catechism of the Catholic Church on purgatory, it is not say anything about 7 years

https://www.catholic.com/tract/purgatory

 

[Lanolin]

Interesting. I never heard that catholic believe purgatory for 7 years

I google the catechism of the Catholic Church on purgatory, it is not say anything about 7 years

https://www.catholic.com/tract/purgatory

Well this is only what i heard from another christian lady who said she was prayed for by a catholic lady when her husband died and the catholic lady would tell her she always prayed the date of her husbands death for seven years and then stopped because thats how long it took for a soul to go through purgatory.
Yea kind of weird that its seven years.
weird that this catholic lady would pray for someone elses dead husband for seven years. But apparently thats what they do. They have prayers for the dead.

 

[Jackson123]

For some like me, persecution or tribulation is scary. Let me repeat what Jesus say about persecution

Matthew 5:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

BLESSED ARE

I ask myself.
Do I agree with Jesus that persecution is blessing?
Do I believe that persecution is blessing?

No, mean I am not inline with Jesus
I wish rapture before tribulation

 

[Jackson123]

Well this is only what i heard from another christian lady who said she was prayed for by a catholic lady when her husband died and the catholic lady would tell her she always prayed the date of her husbands death for seven years and then stopped because thats how long it took for a soul to go through purgatory.
Yea kind of weird that its seven years.
weird that this catholic lady would pray for someone elses dead husband for seven years. But apparently thats what they do. They have prayers for the dead.

It happen that some people believe something, but seem to me her believed was not reflect catholic official catechism.

 

[Lanolin]

Well the catholic catechism changes all the time, who knows what they all really believe the magisterium or rule book of what they are supposed to believe is much fatter than the bible.

Anyway it was just something I found out.

 

[Lanolin]

For some like me, persecution or tribulation is scary. Let me repeat what Jesus say about persecution

Matthew 5:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

BLESSED ARE

I ask myself.
Do I agree with Jesus that persecution is blessing?
Do I believe that persecution is blessing?

No, mean I am not inline with Jesus
I wish rapture before tribulation

I can understand the reviled part. When it first happened I couldnt understand why I was so hated. People would just mock me all the time for belieiving in God and say really insulting things about Jesus. But i learned thats just what satan does, tell lies about Him.

 

[Lanolin]

I was in this job that everyone I worked with in my team was an unbeliever. Even the managers. It was hard going. I too wanted to be raptured. But i learned to count it all joy and still went to work until God said I could leave when couldnt take it anymore. They bullied me mercilessley.

 

[Lanolin]

Hes dealing with them now! Anyway.
The Lord is your refuge and strength, even in times of trouble. And i think those toubling times are when your faith is strengthened and you cry out to be delivered and He does, he will deliver you.

 

[Jackson123]

I can understand the reviled part. When it first happened I couldnt understand why I was so hated. People would just mock me all the time for belieiving in God and say really insulting things about Jesus. But i learned thats just what satan does, tell lies about Him.

For me it is not easy to understand, I come to the Lord to get a happiness, blessing in the sense of prosperity, now Jesus say persecution is a blessing,

Verse 12 say Rejoice and be exceeding glad, not only glad but exceeding or extremely glad.

Hard for me but I pray, Jesus will help me to understand.

If persecution mean blessing,

Is every time one say, God bless you mean some body will persecute you?

I hope you will be happy when I say God bless you brother.

 

[Lanolin]

You are blessed brother, if you would call me sister that would be fine..cos i am female.
GOd will help you endure.

Youve got to learn to see blessings in disguise, they dont always come in the form we would like. Happiness is quite a different thing to joy...happiness doesnt last but joy is a fruit if the spirit that lasts.

I remember I got to in two jobs bless my boss even though at the time they treated their workers cruelly, underpaid them and shortchanged them. I dont know why, but God wanted me to wish them happy birthday and give them gifts. It is hard being a boss I suppose as workers dont always do what they supposed to...but then we arent robots. Its a bit funny cos they were only happy for one day not like believers who have this joy all the time. People say why cant we have christmas all the time when people are so good and giving to each to other. Well we can in a way. If we celebrate Jesus everyday.

 

[SIMON55]

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvYMNWscJ5M>

I'm sorry but I just will not listen to endless babe and confounding about a fearful dream of people being tortured.....
I'm not a rapturist or non rapturist the point to me is of no concern either it will or will not happen but it shouldn't change anything in the way you spiritually prepare yourself....!
I try to prepare for either because he who Fails to prepare .....Prepares to Fail
I have property and three water source and store water and 30 yrs of food supply and setting up fish farming equipment and offgrid power.
Also I do NOT believe in a Christian that will not DEFEND themselves their family friends neighbors or people being unjustly persecuted.....I believe it a God Given American right to stand against persecution of freedom and a sad pathetic human condition that people pathetically and cowardly and passively tremble in fear of evil.......
I will resist in full force any evil that attempts to deny my right to my faith unto my dying breath.
I believe doing anything less is UnAmerican
Fighting as a soldier or like a soldier if necessary is the greatest Love of laying down your life for TRUTH !
If you won't fight or support fighters you don't respect your God Given Right!
My family built this Nation they fought all the wars fought here and they were Quaker Friends who didn't believe in fighting but they fought anyway !
He that won't fight for their life and rights of others doesn't deserve a life!
There were 5 Generals in my family....You want to see a Quaker Teacher that was the hero of 1812 war and recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal 11 03 1814 and the Commanding Major General of the US Army 1815-1828 deceased in office of war wounds......
CMG Jacob Jennings Brown
my 4th GGU my 4th GGF brother also a CMG Joseph White Brown....
FOR THE GLORY OF GOD AND COUNTRY !!!
May the battle cry never die!
24th Congressional Gold Medal.....

 

[SIMON55]

Interesting. I never heard that catholic believe purgatory for 7 years

I google the catechism of the Catholic Church on purgatory, it is not say anything about 7 years

https://www.catholic.com/tract/purgatory

Catholics worship the blaspheming beast of Daniel 7:25 that calls himself Holy Father and Vicar of the son of God. No scarlet and purple robed man can forgive sin they practice blasphemy daily. The Mark.

 

[Jackson123]

You are blessed brother, if you would call me sister that would be fine..cos i am female.
GOd will help you endure.

Youve got to learn to see blessings in disguise, they dont always come in the form we would like. Happiness is quite a different thing to joy...happiness doesnt last but joy is a fruit if the spirit that lasts.

I remember I got to in two jobs bless my boss even though at the time they treated their workers cruelly, underpaid them and shortchanged them. I dont know why, but God wanted me to wish them happy birthday and give them gifts. It is hard being a boss I suppose as workers dont always do what they supposed to...but then we arent robots. Its a bit funny cos they were only happy for one day not like believers who have this joy all the time. People say why cant we have christmas all the time when people are so good and giving to each to other. Well we can in a way. If we celebrate Jesus everyday.

My mistake, bless you sister. I am learning too, this discussion bring me to that understanding. When I hear the word bless, i was think about good job, money or healing, I just learn that for Jesus bless can also mean being persecute for Him.

Nice to talk to you sister.