Woman asks The Lord "Will Church Go To Tribulation or not" God's Answer is Clear - A MUST HEAR!
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It is scary, but It is inline with the bible.
If we think we not go to tribulation we Will disappointed when It is happen, than we think God Lie.
God never say rapture before tribulation.
Thribulation is when devil persecute Christian.
It has been happen, they kill Stephen, and He die, not fly or rapture.
And the bible promise It Will be worse like never happen.
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Make war with saint(Christian)
It mean saint still oN earth, If already in heaven they not able to make a war with.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
He (saints) that lead into captivity.
It mean still oN earth, If already rapture, No body able to put into captivity
If we think we not go to tribulation we Will disappointed when It is happen, than we think God Lie.
God never say rapture before tribulation.
Thribulation is when devil persecute Christian.
It has been happen, they kill Stephen, and He die, not fly or rapture.
And the bible promise It Will be worse like never happen.
Rev 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Make war with saint(Christian)
It mean saint still oN earth, If already in heaven they not able to make a war with.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
He (saints) that lead into captivity.
It mean still oN earth, If already rapture, No body able to put into captivity
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The Tribulation is when the devil persecutes the Jews. The Christians will be in Heaven at that time.
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people [THE JEWS]: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:1)
JEREMIAH 30
4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's [ISRAEL'S] trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
And when the dragon [SATAN] saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman [ISRAEL] which brought forth the man child.... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, [THE BELIEVING JEWISH REMNANT] which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:13,17)
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people [THE JEWS]: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Daniel 12:1)
JEREMIAH 30
4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah. 5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. 6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's [ISRAEL'S] trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
And when the dragon [SATAN] saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman [ISRAEL] which brought forth the man child.... And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, [THE BELIEVING JEWISH REMNANT] which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:13,17)
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Congratulation for the Simplicity of Christ in you, it's especially admirable with the poor English, makes the humility of Christ look good on you. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven." Your blessed. I appreciate your comment, uplifted my spirit. 36 years ago the Lord told me: Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again. I am now 64. I understand that not all of us will die in the persecution. "Except those days be shortened no flesh would be saved, but for the elects sake those days will be shortened." A remnant will not taste death, but in the Will of God we don't decide the outcome. James mentioned this in His letter. "If the Lord Will we shall live." He died for the Faith by the sword. Peter was arrested right after this and was released from prison by an angel, and died a more painful death later on, The Lord does not let us bear more than we can handle, according to our Faith and Love we have the Grace that we need, as we walk in the light we have: we have Fellowship and a are cleansed that we may grow in Love, and "Perfect Love delivers from all fear." Now is the accepted time, now is the Day of renewal." We have no other time elsewhere to seek the Lord while He may be found. There is no time in the Spirit: now is all we have to persevere and grow in Love and be found in Him with our whole heart; being made whole by Faith in Jesus we don't thirst for the world and don't mind leaving it, we hope rather to be present with the Lord. This is the confidence we have in Him...
The Lord is preparing us <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubd6wV68oMo>
I just heard some humor about God, it ends with God never woke up, misunderstood unless you know the beginning of the riddle:
God never went to sleep, never woke up. Its this woman's description of eternity in the presence of God, she got to see a glimpse of heaven in her Sleep. Many are having these experiences. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nI0Pu8Zcpo>
This next one is my favorite 8 minutes with so much hidden meaning, I included some interpretation.
<https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dream+of+jesus+amazing&qs=PF&cvid=5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&PC=ASTS&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3ddream%2bof%2bjesus%2bamazing%26form%3dEDGTCT%26qs%3dPF%26cvid%3d5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555%26cc%3dCA%26setlang%3den-US%26PC%3dASTS&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=47CBF6E81399C715E8AF47CBF6E81399C715E8AF&FORM=WRVORC>
The morning after seeing the video, woke up with the realization that what she saw from a window that looked like a soccer field, would be the dimensions of the Holy place: twice as long as wide. The crown of thorns is the rejection from those desiring to be in charge. The steps ascending to the entrance of the Holy place, is the Way Jesus made in Himself, to follow in His steps. "Verily, verily I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." "This Ladder Jacob saw by night as he slept: the angels of God ascending and descending on it and behold the Lord stood above it." A secret Ladder hidden from understanding, wisdom we see dimly. Humbled and raised up to God in this Ladder, we suffer many ups and downs to keep watch until we enter into rest in God. On higher steps much is revealed through Love as we cease from ourselves, immersed in fellowship with God.
Stay on the Rock:
"Many shall be purified and made white and refined but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
Matthew 24: "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place (whoever reads, let him understand)."
Understanding hidden meaning: Let those who are Living in the Praise of God flee to the Mountains of the Lord's house. Let him who is in fellowship with God, not go down to take things in his hands again, and let him who is in the world, not go back to his old identity, and woe to those who remain babes and those still depending on Mother. But pray and don’t wait until trouble comes to learn to soar with God: For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be."
Jesus was answering 2 questions at the same time, the destruction of the temple and the destruction of the end of the world.
Let the reader understand: then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for babes and nursing children! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never again.
God never went to sleep, never woke up. Its this woman's description of eternity in the presence of God, she got to see a glimpse of heaven in her Sleep. Many are having these experiences. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nI0Pu8Zcpo>
This next one is my favorite 8 minutes with so much hidden meaning, I included some interpretation.
<https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=dream+of+jesus+amazing&qs=PF&cvid=5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555&cc=CA&setlang=en-US&PC=ASTS&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3ddream%2bof%2bjesus%2bamazing%26form%3dEDGTCT%26qs%3dPF%26cvid%3d5bd84bcc071a47c8b94e4e9119dc1555%26cc%3dCA%26setlang%3den-US%26PC%3dASTS&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=47CBF6E81399C715E8AF47CBF6E81399C715E8AF&FORM=WRVORC>
The morning after seeing the video, woke up with the realization that what she saw from a window that looked like a soccer field, would be the dimensions of the Holy place: twice as long as wide. The crown of thorns is the rejection from those desiring to be in charge. The steps ascending to the entrance of the Holy place, is the Way Jesus made in Himself, to follow in His steps. "Verily, verily I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." "This Ladder Jacob saw by night as he slept: the angels of God ascending and descending on it and behold the Lord stood above it." A secret Ladder hidden from understanding, wisdom we see dimly. Humbled and raised up to God in this Ladder, we suffer many ups and downs to keep watch until we enter into rest in God. On higher steps much is revealed through Love as we cease from ourselves, immersed in fellowship with God.
Stay on the Rock:
"Many shall be purified and made white and refined but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."
Matthew 24: "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place (whoever reads, let him understand)."
Understanding hidden meaning: Let those who are Living in the Praise of God flee to the Mountains of the Lord's house. Let him who is in fellowship with God, not go down to take things in his hands again, and let him who is in the world, not go back to his old identity, and woe to those who remain babes and those still depending on Mother. But pray and don’t wait until trouble comes to learn to soar with God: For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be."
Jesus was answering 2 questions at the same time, the destruction of the temple and the destruction of the end of the world.
Let the reader understand: then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for babes and nursing children! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never again.
For every youtube video "vision" or conversation with God saying there is no pre-trib rapture, there are two visions saying there is one, and its coming soon and others will be left behind
Cant establish facts from Youtube videos with contradicting visions. Stick with the word of God
Cant establish facts from Youtube videos with contradicting visions. Stick with the word of God
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The tribulation began when Christ said it was finished. The time of reformation had come. Never before or ever again will that kind of tribulation occur, also called Jacob's trouble. A persecution for the church like the civil war brother against brother. A terrible time still for the unbelieving Jew who is putting some hope in their flesh.
Jeremiah 30:6-8 King James Version (KJV) Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
Jeremiah 30:6-8 King James Version (KJV) Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
We need to make a distinction between the persecution of Christians (the Church) from the first century to the present, and the Tribulation and Great Tribulation, WHICH ARE PERIODS OF GOD'S WRATH against those who did not obey the Gospel and have pleasure in unrighteousness. You will not find the word "church" or "churches" between Revelation 6 and Revelation 18. The Tribulation saints will be primarily Jews who are saved through the preaching of Moses and Elijah (Revelation 11).
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It reminds me at the Time before election of Donald Trump.
One believer here in Cc Shared that God revealed him that Hillary Clinton will become President and another told he got revealed that Trump will become President.
Through all the Times christians faced persecution.
It will come as God said. I understand we will be in heaven then.
If not, then we all will be here.
But, the Time Till then can for some of us feel like tribulation, because the intolerance against christians is growing.
One believer here in Cc Shared that God revealed him that Hillary Clinton will become President and another told he got revealed that Trump will become President.
Through all the Times christians faced persecution.
It will come as God said. I understand we will be in heaven then.
If not, then we all will be here.
But, the Time Till then can for some of us feel like tribulation, because the intolerance against christians is growing.
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I need to tell you to get your life in order
The united nations and new world order against Christians: to understand why communists persecute Christians. The second world war did not succeed becoming a one world government because Christian allies and Christians in Germany sang to the Lord together on the front lines, Christmas eve 1944, the beginning of restoring the daily sacrifice of praise: the German army lost their motivation to conquer, except for the younger generation, the generation after the flesh. World leaders know we don't fit in the plan. The United states is a hurdle to the new world order. The government behind the scene cooperated with the new world order, and is being exposed by the present government, but we are in trouble worst than ever, entering the time of trouble such as never was. The increasing earth changes every year for 15 years are labour pains prophesied, becoming more intense and closer together...
Christians don't fit in that government because the mark, it is taken by violence.
The united nations and new world order against Christians: to understand why communists persecute Christians. The second world war did not succeed becoming a one world government because Christian allies and Christians in Germany sang to the Lord together on the front lines, Christmas eve 1944, the beginning of restoring the daily sacrifice of praise: the German army lost their motivation to conquer, except for the younger generation, the generation after the flesh. World leaders know we don't fit in the plan. The United states is a hurdle to the new world order. The government behind the scene cooperated with the new world order, and is being exposed by the present government, but we are in trouble worst than ever, entering the time of trouble such as never was. The increasing earth changes every year for 15 years are labour pains prophesied, becoming more intense and closer together...
Christians don't fit in that government because the mark, it is taken by violence.
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"If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he Should." If we think we know we stop learning. Only the Father knows. Neither is this about knowing but getting our life in order, if our life would be in order we would be cough up to God, welter to stay on the cross or suffering persecution. We all suffer, both the believing and unbelieving thieves on the cross suffered.
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If you think you know you will not consider other possibility of the time of trouble of the end: triggered by nuclear war and put to death for the faith. "These are uncertain times." "Except those days be shortened no flesh would be saved, but for the elect sake those days will be shortened." You would not consider, those things don't fit in understanding: no mater how much we think understand we don't know what a day will bring. As soon as you say you know, it's ruled out as you don't know as you should: you jumped to conclusion and stopped learning, an average teenager who thinks he knows and stopped listening to advice. I have been there and was a poor communicator most of my life, This is just to let you know not to have the perspective that you know.
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"Judgment must begin at the house of God." Some were tortured not compromising to accept deliverance that they may attain a better resurrection." Those who think they know, that they already have a crown of life, are either puffed up by their fleshly mind as babes in Christ or have died from persecution and were sent back, brought back to life like Paul, and know they have a crown of life? But I'm not interested in debates as to where your coming from, you give the impression that you know = you give the impression that you don't know as you should: that you have stopped learning. There is not much point you continuing to say so.
Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign--and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you!
Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign--and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you!
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Of course believers will go through trials and tribulations and that because Jesus said we would. The problem is that people are not discerning between those common trials and tribulation which come at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness vs. the tribulations caused by God's wrath which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. The wrath of God is what the majority of Revelation is about.
Believers have been experiencing trials and tribulations since the on-set of the church. However, it is not the same as God's coming wrath upon this earth. This will be an unprecedented time where God will deliberately be pouring out His wrath upon a Christ rejecting world. That said, We who have believed in Christ, have been credited with the righteousness of Christ and have been reconciled to God through faith in His shed blood. Therefore, believers cannot and will not go through the time of God's wrath. The scriptures also support this:
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Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! - Rom.5:9
They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. - 1 Thessalonians 1:10
But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth. - Revelation 3:10
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Now, the popular opologetic, is to attempt to distort scripture by claiming that the wrath that is being spoken of is referring to the great white throne judgment. However, believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer ANY wrath and that because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf. Therefore, God's wrath will not be poured out upon the believer since it has already been satisfied by Christ.
Regarding this, in Revelation 3:10 in the letter to the church of Philadelphia and to all believers who overcome, Jesus says that He will "keep us out of" that hour of trial that going to come upon the whole inhabited world, which means that believers will not even be exposed to that time of wrath, i.e. the Lord will appear and remove His church prior to said wrath.
Believers have been experiencing trials and tribulations since the on-set of the church. However, it is not the same as God's coming wrath upon this earth. This will be an unprecedented time where God will deliberately be pouring out His wrath upon a Christ rejecting world. That said, We who have believed in Christ, have been credited with the righteousness of Christ and have been reconciled to God through faith in His shed blood. Therefore, believers cannot and will not go through the time of God's wrath. The scriptures also support this:
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Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! - Rom.5:9
They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. - 1 Thessalonians 1:10
But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. - 1 Thessalonians 5:9
Because you have kept the word of My patient endurance, I also will keep you out of the hour of the trial being about to come upon the whole inhabited world, to try those dwelling upon the earth. - Revelation 3:10
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Now, the popular opologetic, is to attempt to distort scripture by claiming that the wrath that is being spoken of is referring to the great white throne judgment. However, believers in Christ are not appointed to suffer ANY wrath and that because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf. Therefore, God's wrath will not be poured out upon the believer since it has already been satisfied by Christ.
Regarding this, in Revelation 3:10 in the letter to the church of Philadelphia and to all believers who overcome, Jesus says that He will "keep us out of" that hour of trial that going to come upon the whole inhabited world, which means that believers will not even be exposed to that time of wrath, i.e. the Lord will appear and remove His church prior to said wrath.
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