Not By Works
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A simple observation about fruits.
A new member comes to the thread and says exactly what scripture says.
He is attacked, and slandered.
Does that mean those who say they are spiritual, driven and obedient to the Holy Spirit
are condemning a word given from God?
Or are these people so caught up in an argument and the feelings that go with a group,
it is no longer about the Lord, but us verses them. This should be enough for brothers and
sisters to wonder what they have become and what they are doing.
I fear though, conceit has become established and hardened hearts are hardening.
If this happened to me, I would hope Jesus sent someone to help me break out of my sin,
and that I would repent and humble myself before the cross and reestablish my communion
with Him, because this is the only eternal way to life. God bless you, dear brothers and sisters
in Christ.
A new member comes to the thread and says exactly what scripture says.
He is attacked, and slandered.
Does that mean those who say they are spiritual, driven and obedient to the Holy Spirit
are condemning a word given from God?
Or are these people so caught up in an argument and the feelings that go with a group,
it is no longer about the Lord, but us verses them. This should be enough for brothers and
sisters to wonder what they have become and what they are doing.
I fear though, conceit has become established and hardened hearts are hardening.
If this happened to me, I would hope Jesus sent someone to help me break out of my sin,
and that I would repent and humble myself before the cross and reestablish my communion
with Him, because this is the only eternal way to life. God bless you, dear brothers and sisters
in Christ.
Good Night.....
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only fools and deceived believe it and double cursed deceivers peddle it
If the above is true, then how can God bring salvation and reality to anyones soul, as
surely all are born trying to prove they are good enough to be regarded by God as ok for heaven.
Maybe the language will descend a little further soon, I wonder, for once the descent has begun
it rarely is rescued before a crash.
If the above is true, then how can God bring salvation and reality to anyones soul, as
surely all are born trying to prove they are good enough to be regarded by God as ok for heaven.
Maybe the language will descend a little further soon, I wonder, for once the descent has begun
it rarely is rescued before a crash.
i didn't mean to be mean @VCO --
so let me put this into some perspective that is on-topic with the thread.
some of y'all ((i guess me too? tho not as much)) have been hanging out in this 90,000 post thread for two years now. two years you've been talking about this subject, examining all kinds of scripture and arguments, sometimes in excruciating detail. you have conclusions that you've tested over and over, and you've seen the same arguments come up again and again.
now someone new comes along and mentions James. they don't realize, or don't respect, that y'all have heard this 100 times. from their perspective, they are like, 'ha! how dumb can you be? it's by works, i found this verse in James!'
to them, they think they've discovered an obvious fatal flaw that we've all overlooked.
to us, it's obvious that they need more than a shallow understanding and to see it in its full context, and to see how it reconciles with 50 other scriptures.
this is how the 'oh it's cold out, so global warming is false' comment is. it's not a slight against you by any means, just saying, you have a very small amount of knowledge about climate science, but others have a large amount -- and they surely haven't failed to notice that it's cold. there are explanations, but you'll have to look at the whole picture in a more complex way to understand them.
make sense? i hope? i do love you
i feel bad about maybe not being gentle enough in the way i replied earlier. if i was offensive, please forgive me.
it's been pressed on my heart that i need to be gentle in correction, and patient, and hospitable. to be nicer, without being yielding.
i think that touches on the place a number of us find ourselves, with regard to this thread -- having seen the same arguments over and over, to us, some things are very clear, and we can be cross & short with others who haven't spent two years on this topic. i want to be kinder and more loving with them. i don't want to stir up bitterness or drive wedges between brothers and sisters over what may just amount to different levels of growth, study, and understanding.
part of that is, i was going back throgh my notifications from today, and nuts, i think i might have been rude to VCO lol
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Hi 50C1AL0N3, apology accepted, however please if you intend to use a "fictitious story" to make a point please say so from the beginning. My wife and I prayed for this fictitious person last night and when we woke up this morning. I was going to involve our Church this morning so our congregation could pray for the young man but decided at the last minute to wait until I talked to you for more details about the young man's spiritual well being.
Please remember what happened here and so hopefully it will not happen again.
Please remember what happened here and so hopefully it will not happen again.
Yes bro, this is called being led by the Spirit.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. Romans 8:14
This is called obeying the truth.
God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8
- but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath,
JPT
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2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Ephesians 1:11 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 1:8 (HCSB)
8 He will also strengthen you to the end, ⌊so that you will be⌋ blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.
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Read Galatians and take it up with God and Paul.....God is the one that inspired Paul to pen it........he also inspired Paul to call ALL that begin by FAITH and finish it by works FOOLS and BEWITCHED....and a corrupted gospel that had no power
Of course I expect you to reject thus and come back with some flippant response with a lemon twist
Of course I expect you to reject thus and come back with some flippant response with a lemon twist
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