ARE WE THERE YET? 666

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Nebuchadnezzer

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OK, so what is the image of the beast that is being worshipped?

I know.......and like I said there is a push by the current Pope to reunify both the Eastern and Western versions of Catholicism with ALL the daughters being brought under the umbrella..... <---Included within this and at the meeting there was also representatives of Islam and Judaism.....the three Monotheistic religions on the planet and compromising almost half of the world's population...........The Pope in my mind is the false prophet.....the 2nd beast with two horns one higher than the other <---representing Roman Catholicism and Greek/Eastern Orthodox Catholicism with the Roman Horn being the higher of the two.......
 
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The image is mankind as the beast of the field created on day 6. Mankind isassigned the number as the mark of natural unconverted mankind 666.

Catholicism is one place we can literally see the workings of the father of lies trying to make God a man as us and install there very own daysman that they must call a Pope as a infallible fleshly umpire set between God and man.

Catholicism is not the only sect that insists we need a man to teach us, the MO of revealing the antichrists. But they like the Pharisees with Sadaucesss do it up proudly in false humility
 

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I absolutely believe that NOTHING HAS BEEN FULFILLED from Revelation Chapter 4 on, had been fulfilled;
We can see the first five seals having their fulfillment since the first century, and they correspond to what is revealed in the Olivet Discourse. The 6th and 7th seals are future.
 

Nehemiah6

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OK, so what is the image of the beast that is being worshipped?
That should not be in the present tense. There will be a future temple in Jerusalem which will be hijacked by the Antichrist for his own evil purposes. That is where he (the Beast. the Antichrist) will set up an image of himself for the whole world to worship. It is called the Abomination of Desolation by Daniel.

And arms [armies] shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Dan 11:31)

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:...For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Mt 24:15,16,21)
 

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So if it is polluted then it must be a valid Temple in Gods mind and considered Holy. And so if it was no longer considered Holy after Jesus Crucifixion then the Apostles would have seen it as polluted in Acts 15 and Acts 21 and the events recorded in Acts would not have taken place because they would have heeded the Lords words (Matthew 24:15,Mark 13:14) long before ad66-70 and left at his Crucifixion but they did not as Scripture states,,,(Acts of the Apostles=what they DID do)....
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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there are:
> billion muslims
> billion so called christians
~ billion hindus
~ half a billion buddists
and only 20 million jews, if that. Judaism has always been a low percentage of the population.

What you are saying is that one day the whole world is going to follow Judaism. This is a pill I can't swallow.

Besides the scriptures say "for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work" and "then the lawless one will be revealed". So this means he will first come but no one is going to see him for who he is.

But what you are talking about everyone will see the lawless one coming. I mean who wouldn't take notice of the whole world suddenly following and worshipping Judaism?

Reveal: to make something secret or hidden publicly or generally known. to make known through divine inspiration.

This is why the lawless one, the mark, etc, is already here. But it remains hidden.
It's all HERE and yet NOBODY sees it. People don't see it because it hasn't been revealed to them by the Holy Spirit. But one day it will be revealed.
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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Daniel 11:31 could be foretelling of the first Jewish-Roman war (66-73 AD). Roman armies came in, Sacrifices ended and temple destroyed never to be rebuilt (remains desolate). Might this be possible?

And arms [armies] shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. (Dan 11:31)
(Mt 24:15,16,21)
 

Nehemiah6

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Daniel 11:31 could be foretelling of the first Jewish-Roman war (66-73 AD). Roman armies came in, Sacrifices ended and temple destroyed never to be rebuilt (remains desolate). Might this be possible?
No that is not applicable for the simple reason that (a) Christ predicted the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and (b) He then referred to a future temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand, and connected that to the Great Tribulation (which has not occurred).
 

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No that is not applicable for the simple reason that (a) Christ predicted the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and (b) He then referred to a future temple in which the Abomination of Desolation would stand, and connected that to the Great Tribulation (which has not occurred).
Where does Jesus make this distinction? Dont you think the disciples would of automatically connected the prediction of the temple's destruction in 70AD with the abominatino of desolation, instead of saying "Nah this aint it, it'll happen later" since the descriptions are so similar?

Would be groundbreaking if you can show this distinction!
 

Nehemiah6

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Would be groundbreaking if you can show this distinction!
It should be obvious to anyone reading the Olivet Discourse that the apostles themselves would not witness everything revealed in it, even though the Lord uses the generic "you" ("ye").

The Lord connected the Great Tribulation (the Day of the LORD) to the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24. Desolation means destruction, devastation, laying waste, ravaging, and ruination. Also the devastation that would occur on earth at that time would be totally unique -- a one-time worldwide event of such proportions that it would be horrifying. It would also be IMMEDIATELY followed by the total displacement of all the heavenly bodies as well as the mountains and islands on earth. In other words cataclysms and catastrophes would be compounded (Mt 24:29).

The key to separating this from the present time or the past is this verse: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14). We are currently in this Age of Grace or the Church Age, and the Day of the Lord will only come after the Antichrist is revealed and takes total control of the world for 3 1/2 years (42 months). And that will only happen when the third temple is standing in Jerusalem and the sacrifices have been resumed.
 

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It should be obvious to anyone reading the Olivet Discourse that the apostles themselves would not witness everything revealed in it, even though the Lord uses the generic "you" ("ye").

The Lord connected the Great Tribulation (the Day of the LORD) to the Abomination of Desolation in Matthew 24. Desolation means destruction, devastation, laying waste, ravaging, and ruination. Also the devastation that would occur on earth at that time would be totally unique -- a one-time worldwide event of such proportions that it would be horrifying. It would also be IMMEDIATELY followed by the total displacement of all the heavenly bodies as well as the mountains and islands on earth. In other words cataclysms and catastrophes would be compounded (Mt 24:29).

The key to separating this from the present time or the past is this verse: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14). We are currently in this Age of Grace or the Church Age, and the Day of the Lord will only come after the Antichrist is revealed and takes total control of the world for 3 1/2 years (42 months). And that will only happen when the third temple is standing in Jerusalem and the sacrifices have been resumed.
Colossians 1:23
if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

The gospel was already preached to all nations and end started back then. The end is not a day or a minute but a time frame starting sometime in the 2nd century until the end of age.
 

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The gospel was already preached to all nations and end started back then.
If what you claim is true, we would now be living in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
 

Noose

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If what you claim is true, we would now be living in the New Heavens and the New Earth.
The new heavens and new earth can not come until the old ones have passed and when will they pass away? right now in the end times because they are decaying away.

Rom 8:
18I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us. 19The creation waits in eager expectation for the revelation of the sons of God. 20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.

22We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.
 

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Comparison of three bible verses:

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

Hebrews 9:27
Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
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If these three verses are true (and we know they are true) then where is the death and judgment of the beast and the false prophet if they are in fact individual men?
 

Nebuchadnezzer

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The answer to this is that they are not individual men. Each is an apparatus or entity of Satan.

Comparison of three bible verses:

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.

Hebrews 9:27
Just as man is appointed to die once, and after that to face judgment,

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
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If these three verses are true (and we know they are true) then where is the death and judgment of the beast and the false prophet if they are in fact individual men?
 
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There is no pre-7 years resurrection of the saints.

There is only 2 resurrections, one of the saints before the millennial reign of Christ, and one after the millennial reign of Christ.

There is no tribulation Gentile saints if it is pre-7 years resurrection for Jesus said when the resurrection happens the hypocrites will not be caught up, and when He has shut the door no person can enter after that.

The Jews will be all back on their land, and none in the Gentile nations anymore by way of the 7 years peace treaty, and the nation of Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period, and the 2 witnesses only started witnessing to Israel to turn them to the truth at the middle of the 7 years period, but the beast makes war against the saints worldwide at the middle of the 7 years period, so that means he is going against Gentile saints, but if it is a pre-7 years period there would be no Gentile saints on earth, so if there is Gentile saints on earth at the middle of the 7 years period the resurrection has not happened.

Paul said when the nations come together and say Peace and safety the saints will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God as they try to have peace on earth, and Jesus said He will deliver the saints from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world to try them that dwell on earth, which is a deciding factor for the world, be with God, or follow the world, as reality of salvation, and peace on earth, which the nations coming together is the start of the 7 years period and the saints are on earth, so the resurrection has not happened when the 7 years period begins.

The Bible says Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles, and so all Israel shall be saved, but the world has repentance, and salvation offered to them until they take the mark of the beast which happens at the middle of the 7 years period, so repentance, and salvation, is still available to the Gentiles for the first three and one half years, so that means the resurrection has not happened yet, for there is no Gentile that can be saved if it is a pre-7 years resurrection.

The beast makes war against the saints, and prevails against them, and they are given in to his hands for the last three and one half years, and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished, which then comes the end when the Son shall have delivered up the kingdom to the Father, which this is persecution worldwide, for it is the greatest persecution ever in the history of mankind, so Gentile saints have to be persecuted for all the Jews are on their land, and none of them in the nations anymore.

If it is a pre-7 years resurrection then there can be no Gentile saint after that point, but there is Gentiles that can still be saved during the first three and one half years, and the beast makes war against Gentile saints during the last three and one half years, testifying that the resurrection cannot happen before the 7 years period begins.

That is why Paul said the gathering of the saints unto Christ cannot happen until there is a falling away first, which is the world in response to the Gospel that they stop the preaching of it worldwide as international law, and at the end of the first three and one half years the transgressors have come to the full, and the man of sin claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, the God of forces, then the saints can be gathered unto Christ, but then the saints are given in to his hands for the last three and one half years.

Repentance, and salvation, is still available to the world during the first three and one half years, so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth, which when the beast claims to be God he blasphemes God, and His tabernacle, so the saints are on earth, for if they were not he would not have to go against the truth if the truth was gone from the earth.

There is no pre-7 years resurrection of the saints, but will not happen until the man of sin, New Age Christ, claims to be God, and makes war against the saints, which is both Jew and Gentile saints for it is worldwide, but Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period.

And for people that would say that God would not allow the saints to go through the tribulation that reason is not valid, for that would mean God would of not allowed the saints to be persecuted at any time in Church history.

And the tribulation is not for the world, but for the saints, which is why Jesus said there will be persecution against the truth like never before in the history of mankind, and that is because it is on a worldwide level.

2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

When the resurrection does not happen before the 7 years period begins it will overthrow the faith of many, and they will follow the world saying this must be reality, and their interpretation of the Bible was wrong as they embrace the new age movement, and evolution.
 

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TECHNOLOGY NEEDED TO FULFILL THE MARK OF THE BEAST





No 666 is not a symbol, it is only a number that identifies a man, IT SAYS SO, read it again.

In other words it is similar to our Social Security numbers. Only this one will be three groups of 6 digits. Henry Kissenger invented such a EMERGENCY plan in the late 90s, in case the perceived Y2K world wide banking crash actually happened. Since it is the computer age, it probably will be a number imbedded in a very small microchip or biochip as they want to call those designed for humans. They are already testing the (RFID) Radio Frequency Identification Devices in humans in Florida. In particular, for Seniors with Alzheimer's to store their health records on. Instead of the chip that was about twice the size of a grain of rice, like the one in my dog's neck; they have now shrunk the RFID down to not a whole lot bigger than a grain of salt. I posted the following on another site a couple years ago, so the technology is even more advanced now. I added two links at the bottom very recently, in fact that second to the bottom link was dated 20 Nov. 2013 and has a picture of the world's fastest super computer, which doubled the size and speed of the previous record holder. Those two links show that the world really does computers big enough and fast enough acomodate all the worlds bank accounts, and the fact that RFID readers are already starting to show up in stores, should make us sit up and take notice that the stage is set and the time could be very near.






WHAT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST



The most likely thing the Mark of the Beast could be is a biochip implant, because of the Biblical statement that one will not be able to buy or sell anything without it. They currently have built into them up to a 15 digit ID numbering system. It will not surprise me, (if the Church is still here), when the Antichrist comes to power as the Head of State of the old Roman Empire; that he averts a world wide economic collapse by converting all of the worlds monitary systems and bank accounts to function like credit cards in the form of these implanted biochips. AND watch him add a number to all three hyphenated groups of numbers stored in those Biochip IDs, such as: 123456-123456-123456. Hence his number will be 666 (6 digits dash 6 digits dash 6 digits). Also some of the Techs working on these super computers that they believe we are going to need in the near future, have jokingly referred to their super computers as the "beast"; but I am not laughing.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSmr-yuLLr4

http://www.wanttoknow.info/microchipimplants
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=21944

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...ID/6676/Tianhe-2-Tops-Supercomputer-List.aspx

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Several!!

First of all, I always believed the USA was what Revelation 13 meant. I did think the 2 horns represented both the USA and UK since the USA was an extension of the UK and remained allies all of this time. I even considered the USA being Babylon due to so many descriptions of wealth, ships in the harbor, etc etc etc.

But the real reason I always believed this, was due to the USA's founding fathers. Contrary to belief, most of the founding fathers were atheists, deists, non believers associated with the Free Mason's. Even George Washington ended his letters to the "Grand Architect of the Universe or Supreme Architect of the Universe."

If you do research and read the letters between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, you will see how they all were atheists and Washington was a deist.

Washington's own pastor said George attended service every Sunday, but when it came time for Communion to remember Jesus, Washington would get up and leave and never once participated. His pastor believed Washington saw himself as equal to Christ, which makes him a deist.

Ironically, during this era (called the Enlightenment), these founding fathers are revealed as also being followers of Voltaire. Voltaire led a movement to discredit the idea of God and many socialists like our founding fathers, accepted Voltaire's reasoning.

Another piece of evidence anyone can read, comes from the biggest traitor to his own nation, a man named Thomas Paine. He wrote a book immediately after America gained her independence from defeating England, called "The Age of Reason." Within this book, it explains how the founding fathers tricked the Colony's churches and members to going to war with England over religious freedoms. But in reality, it was to separate the church from the state to create a Democracy. He explained how none of them believed in God, and they now have a nation based upon idealism and reasoning, not based upon religion and God.

To further that evidence (the claim by Paine in his book), let's take a closer look at the "Treaty of Tripoli." The most famous claim is made within it. It states, "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense [[founded on the Christian religion]].' And to make it even more significant, 'The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.' That was ratified by the United States Senate without debate unanimously in 1797.

So the USA was not ever founded on the principles of God after all, they were founded on the principles of the Reasoning by those claiming to be Enlightened.

When you understand who the founding fathers actually were, it is no surprise to believe the USA will lead us into Tribulation, by the influence of Satan. After all, in today's day and age, Silicon Valley is working relentlessly on the new Quantum computer. It will be the most powerful system that will be able to control world wide banking, world wide medical, the world wide government.

And we are literally just days away from that being an actual reality..
I think the "mark" will NOT be something elusive. I believe we won't wonder if it is the "mark", we will know exactly what it is.
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