Not By Works

[FollowHisSteps]

What group says no, please share.
So now your against lieing and slander?

Well, you certainly lied when you said you don't sin every day.

If anyone holds we cannot stop sinning every day, we can never achieve Christ likeness.
Simple.

I am against lieing and slander. All believers who follow Jesus are.
What some cannot seem to stop doing is claiming lies and slander over things that are neither.

Unfortunately like a paranoid person people can interpret almost anything as a lie and slander
if they choose to. But that shows their instability rather than their maturity.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dumbest......analysis......ever.

Gotta love when they think they know us

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If anyone holds we cannot stop sinning every day, we can never achieve Christ likeness.
Simple.

I am against lieing and slander. All believers who follow Jesus are.
What some cannot seem to stop doing is claiming lies and slander over things that are neither.

Unfortunately like a paranoid person people can interpret almost anything as a lie and slander
if they choose to. But that shows their instability rather than their maturity.

So we can be glorified here on earth?

God did not ask us to be sinless,

He asked us to go make disciples, and study to show ourselves approved,

 

[Goodnewsman]

Notice the difference between Peter and Judas:

Jesus prays for Peter, but no prayer for Judas is recorded!

What I find Ludacris is the first part of your statement!

To think that the only difference between Peter and Judas was Jesus prayed for Peter but refused to pray for Judas

The Bible says that Jesus prayed often he was a man of Prayer and of course the Bible does not record everything Jesus said when he prayed every prayer .Judas was one of his ordained apostles and Jesus was his friend and you're going to tell me Jesus did not pray for his friend ever???? No way Jose I'm not buying it

The difference between Judas and Peter was Peter repented and ran to the Lord......... Judas on the other hand felt so guilty no doubt his heart condemning him and the devil lying to him telling him there's no way back so he killed his self

I promise you this the sins of Peter are far worse than those of Judas

BTW. Im not mocking you as you suggested

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yes
He still loved them just because they went their own way does not mean god does not love them
Why?

God does not love that which has rejected Him.
Gods grace extends His love until the point where there is no coming back.

Why do you think people condemned to the lake of fire gnash their teeth and weep?

But again this is a symptom of not believing in Gods absolute and final judgement.

But those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction; he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.
Deut 7:10

The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.
You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors.
Psalm 5:5-6

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I promise you this the sins of Peter are far worse than those of Judas

Wow, it just gets worse. I mean really?

Judas said no to the gospel

Peter said yes and recieved it,

And peter has a worse sin?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God does not love that which has rejected Him.

Yet he died for them

I am sorry, but you do not inow God at all

Gods grace extends His love until the point where there is no coming back.

Why do you think people condemned to the lake of fire gnash their teeth and weep?

But again this is a symptom of not believing in Gods absolute and final judgement.

But those who hate him he will repay to their face by destruction; he will not be slow to repay to their face those who hate him.
Deut 7:10

The arrogant cannot stand in your presence; you hate all who do wrong.
You destroy those who tell lies; bloodthirsty and deceitful men the LORD abhors.
Psalm 5:5-6

Gods love can not over rule gods justice

But it does not mean he does not love

Gods justice sent them to hell, because in gods love he offered them forgiveness, but they rejected his love, so Gods justice was enacted.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I just cant get over what I said previously that ETERNAL LIFE lasts forever, it is everlasting, i've looked at all the greek material from not only legit scholars but also from unitarian heretics like Thayers, they ALL agree with the english translations.. Once you are saved its over. You are SEALED with the Holy Spirit, until the DAY OF REDEMPTION.
Holy Spirit is the guarantee of our inheritance UNTIL the redemption!

I feel you are leaving God completely out the picture! YOU have to maintain belief, YOU have to do this and that! But where is God in the picture, where is God working in you to do and will of His good pleasure? Where is God who gives faith to each in measure?

Now to the how to know you're one of the elect:
Faith is evidence! 1John 5:13

This article says it all in nice short way: https://www.gotquestions.org/one-of-the-elect.html

Yes H,,,I'm sure you love QotQuestions.
They agree with your theory of salvation.
I post them sometimes...but only when they're on target.
Which is not always.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

So we can be glorified here on earth?
God did not ask us to be sinless,
He asked us to go make disciples, and study to show ourselves approved,

Avoid every kind of evil. 1 Thess 5:21

Being without sin is avoiding every kind of evil.

We are called to be like Jesus and follow His example.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ 1 Cor 11:1

We are called to aim at perfection

Aim for perfection 2 Cor 13:11

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger
Rom 2:7-8

Paul desires that we become

And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit
2 Cor 3:18

May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones
1 Thess 3:13

Where is there any compromise with sin? Rather scripture says we should struggle, fight and resist temptation and work to victory.

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7

 

[GodsGrace101]

all these definitions you just posted point to belief meaning what the language says-belief is a mental activity.

and, I am not being mean to you, I am pointing out , over and over , that salvation is not of ourself, it is a gift of God.

I know this is hard to accept, to take your eternal destiny and place it 100% in someone else's hands.

that is why it is called the narrow way. many are called , few are chosen.

it goes against human logic, but that is the point. we have abandon our thinking when it comes to salvation , and see it God's way.

Why are only a few chosen?

(now if I give you my answer...I won't understand YOURS)

You could answer or not if you'd rather not.

 

[Goodnewsman]

Again wrong analysis I can find forgiveness and repentance -- "a contrite heart God will not despise." All of Judas actions are that of a criminal, with the exception that after he hung himself there was no time to find forgiveness or repent of his sins.

Let God be the Judge and stop trying to point out everybody's fault, very boring.

Psalm 51:17
My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise

Who forced you to respond to my boring post? You starting ..... talking....to .......me.......an....... sorry I'm so bored I feel asleep. You can go back to your echo chamber now, sorry to have Disturbed you

 

[GodsGrace101]

God's Agape loves all sinners.
That's why Jesus died for all sinners.

Would you not say so?

That's not the question here.

The other member stated that God's agape love is for everyone.
I'm not talking about those Jesus died for . He said everyone.

So what I'm asking is:
Does God's agape love extend to murderers. (IMO the extreme of sin)

 

[Goodnewsman]

Why do you not accept that Jesus said of Judas that he was unclean, an unbeliever?

I do not reject that......only that Judas didn't start out that way......Acts 1 is plain "Judas by transgression fell"

Judas was tempted to sin and betray. The same as you and I????

 

[GodsGrace101]

The irony is real.... You are using a verse that proves salvation cant be lost.

Notice it says to not grieve the Spirit.................... By which you're sealed for what? until what exactly occurs? the day of redemption?

this is a serious topic.
The sealing refers to baptism.

I'm not getting into this with those who can't have a serious conversation.

You don't know me well enough by now to know that I post what supports MY point of view?
Too bad....I thought you did.

 

[GodsGrace101]

You are the one that said you do not contradict yourself.....explain the following quotes...

GodsGrace101 said:
GOD can EARN your trust...

But YOU can't EARN salvation.

Guess you're better than God.
Talk about pride....
GodsGrace101 said:

That's because salvation IS earned ....
But must go now.

Just for you Dcon...
I'll repost my no. 86,862.
If you can't understand it...I really don't care.
But, being such a good teacher of biblical matters, you SHOULD be able to...


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post 86,862...


The above statement was in response to my stating that salvation is earned and is not a gift.

I've stated this before and will do so again....

Salvation is a free.
It cannot be earned.
Ephesians 2:8-9
It is earned by grace through faith.
Siince our faith is a gift,,,salvation is also a gift because it comes from faith.

This is called Justification.

The problem I have with this thread is that there is no distinction made between
Justification
Sanctification

Sanctification IS EARNED.

It's a cooperative effort between man and God. Jesus did His part on the cross, now it's up to us to do our part.
Jesus said:

Mathew 16:24
Discipleship Is Costly

24Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.

Jesus said the gate is narrow exactly because being a disciple is costly....the wide road is easy.
Many here say they are following Jesus and yet they seem to state that it's OK to be on the wide road simply by not agreeing.

You said it's easy to say Jesus is God....
Shouldn't it be as easy to say Jesus is to be obeyed?
It's the same.

If we want to say we have a relationship with God,,,then we must also accept our part.
It takes two person to create a relationship.....not one walking alone. It's you and Jesus walking together.


John 12:48 Jesus said:
48“He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

1. We must accept Jesus as Savior and not reject Him.
2. We must receive His sayings.
3. His word is what will judge us in the last day. (whether or not we obeyed Him).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Avoid every kind of evil. 1 Thess 5:21

Being without sin is avoiding every kind of evil.

We are called to be like Jesus and follow His example.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ 1 Cor 11:1

We are called to aim at perfection

Aim for perfection 2 Cor 13:11

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger
Rom 2:7-8

Paul desires that we become

And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit
2 Cor 3:18

May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones
1 Thess 3:13

Where is there any compromise with sin? Rather scripture says we should struggle, fight and resist temptation and work to victory.

Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:7

So you think your sinless?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not reject that......only that Judas didn't start out that way......Acts 1 is plain "Judas by transgression fell"

Judas was tempted to sin and betray. The same as you and I????

Please so where judas did not start that way

And again, judas by transgression fell from being a disciple. Not from salvation. Many pastors have fallen because of transgression and no longer pastor.

Did Judas eat the bread from heaven to be saved. Yes or no?

 

[GodsGrace101]

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Sure. But the question was:
Does God love a murderer? I believe He does not due to His nature...one of which qualities is justice.



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GOD HATES ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY Psalms 5:5

THE BIBLE SAYS GOD HATES SINNERS, NOT JUST THE SIN:

Leviticus 20:23: And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nations which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I ABHORRED THEM.

Leviticus 26:14-30: If ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant, I also will do this to you... [send plagues, famine, drought, destructive armies, wild beasts who shall devour your children, pestilence, captivity in a cruel land...] And if ye will not for all this hearken unto Me, but walk contrary to Me; Then I WILL WALK CONTRARY TO YOU IN FURY... I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcasses upon the carcasses of your idols, and MY SOUL SHALL ABHOR YOU.

Deuteronomy 18:12 For all that do these things are an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD, and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Deuteronomy 25:16: ...ALL THAT DO UNRIGHTEOUSLY ARE AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD.

Deuteronomy 28:62-63: Because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God... it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will the Lord will REJOICE OVER YOU TO DESTROY YOU, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. (In Deuteronomy 27, 28, and 29, 124 CURSES are promised upon the Jews who refused to obey Gods commandments.)

Deuteronomy 32:16-20: They provoked Him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations they provoked Him to ANGER... And when the Lord saw it [people sacrificing to devils - v.17], HE ABHORRED THEM...

Psalm 2:4-9: The Lord that sits in the heavens shall LAUGH [at rebellious men]: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His WRATH, and VEX THEM IN HIS SORE DISPLEASURE... [and Christ shall] break them with a rod of iron: Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potters vessel.

Psalm 5:5-6: The foolish shall not stand in Thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY. Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing (lies): THE LORD WILL ABHOR THE BLOODY AND DECEITFUL MAN.

Psalm 7:11-13: ...God is ANGRY with the wicked every day. If he turn not, He will whet His sword; He hath bent His bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death; He ordaineth His arrows against the persecutors.

Psalm 10:3: For the wicked... blesseth the covetous, WHOM THE LORD ABHORRETH.

Psalm 11:5-7: The Lord trieth the righteous: but THE WICKED AND HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL HATETH. Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness...

Psalm 50:22: Now consider this, ye that forget God, LEST I TEAR YOU IN PIECES, AND THERE BE NONE TO DELIVER.

Psalm 78:59: When God heard this He was wroth, and GREATLY ABHORRED ISRAEL.

Psalm 106:40: Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against His people, insomuch that HE ABHORRED HIS OWN INHERITANCE.

Proverbs 3:32-33: For the froward is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD... The CURSE OF THE LORD is in the house of the wicked: but He blesseth the habitation of the just.

Proverbs 6:16-19: These six things doth THE LORD HATE: yea, seven are AN ABOMINATION TO HIM... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.

Proverbs 16:5: Every one that is proud in heart is an ABOMINATION TO THE LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Proverbs 17:5: He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are ABOMINATION TO THE LORD.

Proverbs 22:14: The soul of strange women is a deep pit: HE THAT IS ABHORRED OF THE LORD shall fall therein.

Jeremiah 17:5: Thus saith the Lord, CURSED BE THE MAN that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

Hosea 9:15: All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I HATED THEM: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of Mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE...

Malachi 1:3-4: And I HATED ESAU, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness...thus saith the Lord of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and the people AGAINST WHOM THE LORD HATH INDIGNATION FOREVER.

Romans 9:13: As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.

I Corinthians 16:22: If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA MARANATHA [which means ACCURSED, THE LORD COMETH].

James 4:4: Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that friendship of the world is ENMITY (or HATRED) WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is an ENEMY OF GOD.

I Peter 3:12: For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers: but THE FACE OF THE LORD IS AGAINST THEM THAT DO EVIL.

Revelation 14:10-11: [Sinners] shall drink of the wine of the WRATH OF GOD, which is poured without mixture into the cup of HIS INDIGNATION; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB; And the smoke of their TORMENT ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT...

 

[gb9]

Why are only a few chosen?

(now if I give you my answer...I won't understand YOURS)

You could answer or not if you'd rather not.

easy answer- lots of folks believe just like you. that we are in a joint effort with God to save us.

many believe that .

but, the narrow way is 100% trusting Christ for salvation. with you contributing nothing to your salvation.

not as many believe that.

not of yourself, a gift of God. could not be more clear.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

Yet he died for them
I am sorry, but you do not inow God at all
Gods love can not over rule gods justice
But it does not mean he does not love
Gods justice sent them to hell, because in gods love he offered them forgiveness, but they rejected his love, so Gods justice was enacted.

I am sorry, but you do not inow God at all

Paul was deemed innocent because he acted in ignorance.

Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 1 Tim 1:13

The unforgivable sin is unforgivable because it is rebellion in the sight of the Holy Spirits working.

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Luke 12:10

I wonder at the judgementalism you are displaying.

I do not know God at all? Quite a condemnation of a believe in Jesus and a person who trust Him for salvation and forgiveness of His sins through the cross. Do you not know we are not judge fellow believers like this? And if we do we are judging Gods work in anothers life? Fearful stuff, very, very serious and personal.

How can you stand in judgement over me?

What you have not discerned is at the end of all things, that which remains to the lake of fire
is those who hate Him and have rejected Him. Why would God love any of these folk as none of
them are capable of anything eternal or of value?

You have not yet understood the final judgement and what rejecting the Lord of all is actually about.

I am not here to say more than this, but suggest if you condemn me as an unbeliever I fear for your
soul.