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"live in fear of losing God's love" - do you mean I should become conceited like Israel did?
Paul consulted with the apostles to make sure he was was running the race in vain.
I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain.
Gal 2:2
We need fear and respect for our Lord and not presumption.
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
Phil 2:12-13
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
1 Peter 1:17
Some confuse this with
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
We have fear of God out of reverence, not fear because we should be punished. His grace removes fear of punishment.
When you know Jesus and the cross, the fear is we lose sight of its reality, and get swayed by the world, not fear of losing
Gods love, which is certain and concrete. But then the propoganda thinks knowing we are His and can walk away, means
we are only doing things out of fear, does not know the meaning of true love. True love is defined by choice.
Paul consulted with the apostles to make sure he was was running the race in vain.
I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain.
Gal 2:2
We need fear and respect for our Lord and not presumption.
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
Phil 2:12-13
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
1 Peter 1:17
Some confuse this with
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
We have fear of God out of reverence, not fear because we should be punished. His grace removes fear of punishment.
When you know Jesus and the cross, the fear is we lose sight of its reality, and get swayed by the world, not fear of losing
Gods love, which is certain and concrete. But then the propoganda thinks knowing we are His and can walk away, means
we are only doing things out of fear, does not know the meaning of true love. True love is defined by choice.
Have you ever deceived our savior, lie to him, or betrayed him? Should I be sympathetic toward you,?
Again Judas did not start out in the ministry As a thief.... He was called by God chosen by God ordained by God to be an apostle and preached the gospel Mark 3
Did Jesus give Judas a false anointing to preach the gospel in Mark 3? Of course not he was a friend to Judas and the Bible said a friend loveth at all times
My point is this Jesus did not set Judas up for failure. Judas was tempted just like you and gave in to that temptation just like you and I
Does the bible not say it is not the will of God that any man should perish?
It was not the will of God that Judas go to hell. Judas is in hell today because he chose to go there
You know what is funny or pathetic you guys are willing to dismiss everybodys sin who calls himself a Christian except for Judas and I know why because Judas Totally destroys your Doctrine
It has been said on thread that even a reprobate could still go to heaven
I have been told that a man can go to heaven and NOT EVEN LOVE GOD
BUT JUDAS WAS BORN A DEVIL AND HAD NO CHANCE OF SALVATION
Using your own logic let me ask you, if you ever commit the sin Judas committed can't we write you off and call you an unsaved devil who will go to hell?.......... Wait...... No you couldn't do that because that too would mess up your Doctrine as well
Again Judas did not start out in the ministry As a thief.... He was called by God chosen by God ordained by God to be an apostle and preached the gospel Mark 3
Did Jesus give Judas a false anointing to preach the gospel in Mark 3? Of course not he was a friend to Judas and the Bible said a friend loveth at all times
My point is this Jesus did not set Judas up for failure. Judas was tempted just like you and gave in to that temptation just like you and I
Does the bible not say it is not the will of God that any man should perish?
It was not the will of God that Judas go to hell. Judas is in hell today because he chose to go there
You know what is funny or pathetic you guys are willing to dismiss everybodys sin who calls himself a Christian except for Judas and I know why because Judas Totally destroys your Doctrine
It has been said on thread that even a reprobate could still go to heaven
I have been told that a man can go to heaven and NOT EVEN LOVE GOD
BUT JUDAS WAS BORN A DEVIL AND HAD NO CHANCE OF SALVATION
Using your own logic let me ask you, if you ever commit the sin Judas committed can't we write you off and call you an unsaved devil who will go to hell?.......... Wait...... No you couldn't do that because that too would mess up your Doctrine as well
I get confused about this chain of logic.
I come to faith. I am saved. I come to believe I could lose my faith, and the promise. I am not saved.
I come to faith. I am saved. I come to deny Jesus, God and everything. I am still saved.
Now this is like a tick box faith. Get the right tick box, no problems, get the wrong combination, oppsss.
And even more oddly, the perceptive "believers" can tell who is going to the fire and who is not by the
special test, could you lose faith?
In this world, the unforgivable faith is to believe you might not continue in it. Not exactly dumb considering
most people who come to some form of faith do not continue in this conviction their whole life or attend church.
So in this theology God is the God of those who do not care. Not exactly the picture of those who have overcome
death with the testimony of their faith.
So it is not difficult to suggest this view is actually a faith of the dispossessed, who want to make sense of their
struggles without victory, and desperation for acceptance despite not being transformed within.
I come to faith. I am saved. I come to believe I could lose my faith, and the promise. I am not saved.
I come to faith. I am saved. I come to deny Jesus, God and everything. I am still saved.
Now this is like a tick box faith. Get the right tick box, no problems, get the wrong combination, oppsss.
And even more oddly, the perceptive "believers" can tell who is going to the fire and who is not by the
special test, could you lose faith?
In this world, the unforgivable faith is to believe you might not continue in it. Not exactly dumb considering
most people who come to some form of faith do not continue in this conviction their whole life or attend church.
So in this theology God is the God of those who do not care. Not exactly the picture of those who have overcome
death with the testimony of their faith.
So it is not difficult to suggest this view is actually a faith of the dispossessed, who want to make sense of their
struggles without victory, and desperation for acceptance despite not being transformed within.
Again wrong analysis I can find forgiveness and repentance -- "a contrite heart God will not despise." All of Judas actions are that of a criminal, with the exception that after he hung himself there was no time to find forgiveness or repent of his sins.
Let God be the Judge and stop trying to point out everybody's fault, very boring.
Psalm 51:17
My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise
Let God be the Judge and stop trying to point out everybody's fault, very boring.
Psalm 51:17
My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise
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Maybe there are actually more than two groups here.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
I was approximating.
And some definitely deny they could ever walk like Jesus or even aspire to it.
A simple test is can you be 24hrs without sinning. Those that say no, do not
believe Jesus transforms them into His likeness in this world.
A few days ago such a point was discussed.
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