what are the rules one must follow on the sabbath?

[SIMON55]

Actually the pagan god Saturn was far worse than the pagan god Sol (the Sun). So talking about sun-god worship means absolutely nothing. The Seventh Day Adventists have been falsely claiming that Sunday worship equals the Mark of the Beast.

But what is presently called "Sunday" was the first day of the week, and this is called "the Lord's Day" in the Bible, since the Lord Jesus Christ rose on the first day of the week (the morrow after the sabbath). And we find that the apostolic churches were meeting on the first day of the week to worship the Lord.

There isn't any scriptural support for any of that.
What the SDA claims is the Mark of the Beast has 2500 years if exact matching Historical record and two books of prophecy behind it.
Want someone to break the years the prophecy and the list down for you then watch .
From Babylon to America on youtube....or just scoff and scorn at something you don't even know what facts and scriptures are listed. Makes me no difference....but 1260 yrs of historical facts that exactly match scripture are a FACT.....review them or not!

 

[Starflower7]

It makes me sad that there are so many harsh words going back and forth. I believe that the Sabbath is part of God's eternal law, established at Creation and included in Jesus' plea, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15).

However, I'm not going to shout and beat on those who don't believe this. We all have to study the Word for ourselves with a humble and teachable mind, and that includes me. Telling everyone that they're stupid not to believe a certain way is unkind and will not attract anyone to a doctrine.

"...Speaking the truth in love." Eph. 4:15).

 

[Hevosmies]

^Starflower consider what you just said. harsh words.

The adventists are the ones playing nice, while casting most of Christendom to HELL by claiming sunday worship will one day be the mark of the beast. Those are the real heretics, those are the real harsh words, those are the real deceivers. NOT US who try to warn you about them!

Thats why im so hard on them. its a WICKED system, according to them the early church led by teh Apostles would also be in risk of the mark of the beast, had sunday worship been mandated during their life time! Yet the early church in the book of Acts gathered on sunday, the first day of the week. That is when Jesus resurrected, The Lord's day! Way before romanism came along.

 

[Dino246]

It makes me sad that there are so many harsh words going back and forth. I believe that the Sabbath is part of God's eternal law, established at Creation and included in Jesus' plea, "If you love Me, keep My commandments." (John 14:15).

However, I'm not going to shout and beat on those who don't believe this. We all have to study the Word for ourselves with a humble and teachable mind, and that includes me. Telling everyone that they're stupid not to believe a certain way is unkind and will not attract anyone to a doctrine.

"...Speaking the truth in love." Eph. 4:15).

Respectfully, I have no interest (nor should anyone else, IMHO) in being "attracted" or "attracting" anyone to a doctrine. Jesus isn't a doctrine; He's a Person.

 

[posthuman]

SUN-god-DAY IS FOR PAGAN SUN god WORISHIPPERS MARKED BY THE BEAST AND DECEIVED. YOU do not know prophecy or history.

totally unlike Saturn-day right?

 

[Starflower7]

Respectfully, I have no interest (nor should anyone else, IMHO) in being "attracted" or "attracting" anyone to a doctrine. Jesus isn't a doctrine; He's a Person.

This is true.

 

[SIMON55]

totally unlike Saturn-day right?

The seventh day is the Sabbath established by God
"for all man"-per JC. and the sabbath kept by JC. .To fully comprehend the significance of the mixing of the Iron and the clay you must comprehend correct interpretations of the prophecy's of Daniel which are repeated again by John's recording in the revealings of Reveletaion...
1. Daniel fourth empire-beast-kingdom-blaspemer-Antichrist pagan roman sun-god-day-worshipping-law and times THINKING to change-iron (roman empire )- clay
( Christian church ) mixing
ALL SAME AS....
2. REVELATION.....First beast-kingdom- of the Sea-Mother Babylon whore-of apostate harlot churches-mark of the beast- name and number of a man.....
ALL WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES .....2500 yrs of global historical record.....and is impossible to be interpreted any other way due to Gods repititious exactness.....
That would not be to say that ALL PAGANISM IDOLISM or creation worship isn't a false fornication and abomination
to God as he has said..
But Sun worship Paganism was globally predominate and the predominate of Rome which was Designated by God in Daniel and Reveletaion as
THE MARK OF THE BEAST and as exactly matches the Historical record which God uses to prove his prophetical word.....see challenge from God.....ISAIAH.....( the former things of old and the things to come ) JC-...so that you may know them when they come to pass.

 

[SIMON55]

Respectfully, I have no interest (nor should anyone else, IMHO) in being "attracted" or "attracting" anyone to a doctrine. Jesus isn't a doctrine; He's a Person.

This all got started because I questioned someone indicating the sabbath as irrelevant. ...by asking them how they explained the prophecy's of Daniel and Reveletaion and specifically THE MARK OF THE BEAST
then I was bum rushed by a half dozen slinging offensive insults at SDA and falsely alleging that I was attempting to promote their or a specific doctrine of theirs.
Regardless of whether my comprehension of Gods prophetic word agrees with SDA or not, I am not a member of SDA ....I am a Protestant I believe in the Historical record of Protestantism and the thousand yr old protestant reformers prophetical interpretaion.
I honestly admit to becoming agitated by false and offensive insulting allegations....go to beginning interaction AND VERIFY .....
Those were followed by a burial with massive delusional information assertions of $ mark of the beast claims.
Which do not exactly match prophecy or 2500 yrs of the historical record.
And ignore the name and number of a man as prophesied by GOD !
If someone wants to acuse me of holding the historically proven and prophetically proven doctrine- OR- more correctly HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION OF PROTESTANTISM.....then that is fine!.....BUT......SLINGING INSULTIVE OFFENSIVE.....
Derogatory and defamatory remarks at me and calling someone SDA when they don't know me or my beliefs isn't acceptable to me.....
Neither is gang attack scorning and scoffing frenzy feeding mob lynching based on false presumptions!
I am not a denominational doctrine promoter....I am a promoter of Gods true prophetical word as Historically interpreted by the Protestant Reformers and as exactly proven by the global historical record to be infallible.
It is certainly anyone's perogative to consider Christ a person if they wish but the record reflects he was EMMANUEL.....he said love him by keeping his word ....that can't be done without comprehending it...." the Sabbath is for all man" "not one dot or tittle"...." he and the father are one" ...thus there words are the same...
HIS PROPHETICAL WORD indicates a MARK associated to the SABBATH and the name and number of a man and other historically exact matching indicators. Revelation indicates these comprensions are critical and at harvest one sign seal or mark or the other will be assigned.
Ignore it or call it a doctrine falsely or scoff and scorn it and sling offensive poop at it.....doesn't change Gods prophetic word either way.

 

[Dino246]

This all got started because I questioned someone indicating the sabbath as irrelevant. ...by asking them how they explained the prophecy's of Daniel and Reveletaion and specifically THE MARK OF THE BEAST
then I was bum rushed by a half dozen slinging offensive insults at SDA and falsely alleging that I was attempting to promote their or a specific doctrine of theirs.
Regardless of whether my comprehension of Gods prophetic word agrees with SDA or not, I am not a member of SDA ....I am a Protestant I believe in the Historical record of Protestantism and the thousand yr old protestant reformers prophetical interpretaion.
I honestly admit to becoming agitated by false and offensive insulting allegations....go to beginning interaction AND VERIFY .....
Those were followed by a burial with massive delusional information assertions of $ mark of the beast claims.
Which do not exactly match prophecy or 2500 yrs of the historical record.
And ignore the name and number of a man as prophesied by GOD !
If someone wants to acuse me of holding the historically proven and prophetically proven doctrine- OR- more correctly HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION OF PROTESTANTISM.....then that is fine!.....BUT......SLINGING INSULTIVE OFFENSIVE.....
Derogatory and defamatory remarks at me and calling someone SDA when they don't know me or my beliefs isn't acceptable to me.....
Neither is gang attack scorning and scoffing frenzy feeding mob lynching based on false presumptions!
I am not a denominational doctrine promoter....I am a promoter of Gods true prophetical word as Historically interpreted by the Protestant Reformers and as exactly proven by the global historical record to be infallible.
It is certainly anyone's perogative to consider Christ a person if they wish but the record reflects he was EMMANUEL.....he said love him by keeping his word ....that can't be done without comprehending it...." the Sabbath is for all man" "not one dot or tittle"...." he and the father are one" ...thus there words are the same...
HIS PROPHETICAL WORD indicates a MARK associated to the SABBATH and the name and number of a man and other historically exact matching indicators. Revelation indicates these comprensions are critical and at harvest one sign seal or mark or the other will be assigned.
Ignore it or call it a doctrine falsely or scoff and scorn it and sling offensive poop at it.....doesn't change Gods prophetic word either way.

Several comments in response:
- using ALL CAPS is the internet equivalent of shouting, so I suggest you use it much more sparingly;
- you have a particular belief regarding interpretation of prophecy that is not shared by all Christians;
- you are quick to use strong language about others, but you admit that you get offended by others' comments about you;
- your tone suggests that you hold others in derision if they don't agree with you wholeheartedly;
- you seem to be working hard to defend yourself in this response to my comment, in which I didn't attack you.

I don't share your views on the interpretation of prophecy. You are welcome to it, and you are welcome to share it, but I'm not going to read your demeaning diatribes against those who disagree with you... they are a terrible way to share one's views. Given that you feel so strongly about these issues, consider the truth behind them: God's word addresses the actions of believers as well as their views. You cannot be a good representative of Christ merely by shouting your beliefs at others; you must be Christlike as well or you are nothing but a clanging cymbal.

Regarding your comments about Jesus being a "person" (not capitalized), you apparently misread my comment. I used the capitalized version. It's a common practice to capitalize words referring to God.

 

[posthuman]

Let's start with some basic activities from which we refrain on Shabbat:

writing, erasing, and tearing;
business transactions;
driving or riding in cars or other vehicles;
shopping;
using the telephone;
turning on or off anything which uses electricity, including lights, radios, television, computer, air-conditioners and alarm clocks;
cooking, baking or kindling a fire;
gardening and grass-mowing;
doing laundry;

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/95907/jewish/The-Shabbat-Laws.htm


5 The thirty-nine creative activities
5.1 The Order of Bread
5.1.1 Planting
5.1.2 Plowing
5.1.3 Reaping
5.1.4 Gathering
5.1.5 Threshing/extraction
5.1.6 Winnowing
5.1.7 Sorting/purification
5.1.8 Grinding
5.1.9 Sifting
5.1.10 Kneading/amalgamation
5.1.11 Cooking/baking
5.2 The Order of Garments
5.2.1 Shearing
5.2.2 Scouring/laundering
5.2.3 Carding/combing wool
5.2.4 Dyeing
5.2.5 Spinning
5.2.6 Warping
5.2.7 Making two loops/threading heddles
5.2.8 Weaving
5.2.9 Separating two threads
5.2.10 Tying
5.2.11 Untying
5.2.12 Sewing
5.2.13 Tearing
5.3 The Order of Hides
5.3.1 Trapping
5.3.2 Slaughtering
5.3.3 Flaying/skinning
5.3.4 Curing/preserving
5.3.5 Smoothing
5.3.6 Scoring
5.3.7 Measured cutting
5.4 The Order of Construction
5.4.1 Writing
5.4.2 Erasing
5.4.3 Building
5.4.4 Demolition
5.4.5 Extinguishing a fire
5.4.6 Igniting a fire
5.4.7 Applying the finishing touch
5.4.8 Transferring between domains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activities_prohibited_on_Shabbat
https://www.ou.org/holidays/shabbat/the_thirty_nine_categories_of_sabbath_work_prohibited_by_law/
https://www.google.com/search?q=pro...9iLrgAhVOMqwKHVa0BmIQBQgrKAA&biw=1163&bih=483
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...hUKEwik077-iLrgAhVQUK0KHauLAI4Q1QIoAHoECAIQAQ

wow, SDAs take note:

nobody outwardly 'keeps the sabbath holy' like a pharisee does.

The seventh day is the Sabbath established by God
"for all man"-per JC. and the sabbath kept by JC. .To fully comprehend the significance of the mixing of the Iron and the clay you must comprehend correct interpretations of the prophecy's of Daniel which are repeated again by John's recording in the revealings of Reveletaion...
1. Daniel fourth empire-beast-kingdom-blaspemer-Antichrist pagan roman sun-god-day-worshipping-law and times THINKING to change-iron (roman empire )- clay
( Christian church ) mixing
ALL SAME AS....
2. REVELATION.....First beast-kingdom- of the Sea-Mother Babylon whore-of apostate harlot churches-mark of the beast- name and number of a man.....
ALL WHICH EXACTLY MATCHES .....2500 yrs of global historical record.....and is impossible to be interpreted any other way due to Gods repititious exactness.....
That would not be to say that ALL PAGANISM IDOLISM or creation worship isn't a false fornication and abomination
to God as he has said..
But Sun worship Paganism was globally predominate and the predominate of Rome which was Designated by God in Daniel and Reveletaion as
THE MARK OF THE BEAST and as exactly matches the Historical record which God uses to prove his prophetical word.....see challenge from God.....ISAIAH.....( the former things of old and the things to come ) JC-...so that you may know them when they come to pass.

Hmm when I read the early church fathers they call it the eighth day, and it's pretty clear they aren't worshipping a pagan sun god. And the apostles call it 'the first day of the week' in scripture, also evidently not worshipping a pagan sun god.

Although God is certainly the God over the sun. All things.

But you made a snarky comment about how our modern name for the day Sunday came about; its no different how the name Saturday was derived.

 

[SIMON55]

Sounds like seventh day adventist drivel..........

Worshiping on sunday (the Lord's day, the FIRST DAY of the week on which Christians gathered in the book of acts) is NOT the mark of the beast, nor is it a mark of authority done by the catholic church.

Christians gathered on sunday LOOONg before the roman catholics came along.

NEXT

Yes the Catholics and various poopies and various of their publications have declared that they did in fact....
1. Change the Sabbath Published by them multiple X
2. That doing so was their Mark of Authority
Published by them multiple X
3. And they admit you can read scripture cover to cover and not find sanctification of it.
Published by them multiple X
4. That the poopy is .....
"GOD ON EARTH"
Published by them multiple X
5. That they can change any scriptures they want.....
Published by them multiple X
6. That they can " ego de absolvo" FORGIVE SIN the same as JESUS CHRIST-GOD
Pblished by them multiple X and practiced in confession daily.......
7. They have Published Multiple X.....by all the authorities claimed above that their authority exceeds ....
GODS.....
ALL BLASPHEMIES.....
and PROPHETICAL fulfillment
Identified as such historically by the Protestant Reformers !
They claim authorities by their own publishings in their own Publications to commit the very same blasphemies for which the Pharisees alleged against Christ and sought to stone and crucify him for !
This isn't defamation by me.....check the historical record of their PUBLICATIONS
AND......REMOVE THE BLINDER OF THE MARK YOU PROMOTE AND .....have taken both to head and here on the record.

 

[Dino246]

Yes the Catholics and various poopies and various of their publications have declared that they did in fact....
1. Change the Sabbath Published by them multiple X
2. That doing so was their Mark of Authority
Published by them multiple X
3. And they admit you can read scripture cover to cover and not find sanctification of it.
Published by them multiple X
4. That the poopy is .....
"GOD ON EARTH"
Published by them multiple X
5. That they can change any scriptures they want.....
Published by them multiple X
6. That they can " ego de absolvo" FORGIVE SIN the same as JESUS CHRIST-GOD
Pblished by them multiple X and practiced in confession daily.......
7. They have Published Multiple X.....by all the authorities claimed above that their authority exceeds ....
GODS.....
ALL BLASPHEMIES.....
and PROPHETICAL fulfillment
Identified as such historically by the Protestant Reformers !
They claim authorities by their own publishings in their own Publications to commit the very same blasphemies for which the Pharisees alleged against Christ and sought to stone and crucify him for !
This isn't defamation by me.....check the historical record of their PUBLICATIONS
AND......REMOVE THE BLINDER OF THE MARK YOU PROMOTE AND .....have taken both to head and here on the record.

Fallacy: guilt by association.

Just because most Christians attend services on Sunday doesn't make them guilty of supporting or promoting a Catholic agenda. The early disciples met on the day after the Sabbath. In English, we call that day Sunday.

Kindly stop SHOUTING. It adds absolutely nothing to your message except warrant to ignore you.

 

[SIMON55]

wow, SDAs take note:

nobody outwardly 'keeps the sabbath holy' like a pharisee does.



Hmm when I read the early church fathers they call it the eighth day, and it's pretty clear they aren't worshipping a pagan sun god. And the apostles call it 'the first day of the week' in scripture, also evidently not worshipping a pagan sun god.

Although God is certainly the God over the sun. All things.

But you made a snarky comment about how our modern name for the day Sunday came about; its no different how the name Saturday was derived.

Oh there is a difference and it is explained already to you and you ignore it!
EXPLAINED PROPHETICALLY HISTORICALLY AND PROTESTANTLY.
Your "SDA" obsession has nothing to do with me or the word of God it's just your GO TO DENIAL BLINDER ....AND
Label you seek to place on me because you can only see 200 yr of history instead of 2500 that exactly matches the Prophetic word of GOD!

 

[SIMON55]

Fallacy: guilt by association.

Just because most Christians attend services on Sunday doesn't make them guilty of supporting or promoting a Catholic agenda. The early disciples met on the day after the Sabbath. In English, we call that day Sunday.

Kindly stop SHOUTING. It adds absolutely nothing to your message except warrant to ignore you.

 

[posthuman]

...

You might be happy to know there's no budget this year at my company for saturn-day coverage, so I won't be volunteering my time in 2019 to be the servant of my employer on those days.

But is saturn-day really sabbath? The Bible describes a lunar calendar; is the sabbath those under Moses kept counted from the new moon? Every other day was.

 

[SIMON55]

I am not here to convict anyone Catholic or otherwise only to state what the word of God says......If you find it convicting then ....react appropriately if you are hearing sounds from capitol letters of emphasis because I am speaking from a phone in abbreviation instead of piling a Mountain of 2500 yrs of Historical evidence that confirms God's prophetical word EXACTLY....then just consider the blessing.
But I have other considerations for the day so remain and crucify me as whatever you like.....but you haven't found the SDA you obsessively hunt....
But you have definitely found your Mark to which no more pearls will be fed.
Going to ignore and agree to disagree.

 

[posthuman]

Your "SDA" obsession

Wow man, i only mention the acronym once. Hardly qualifies as obsession. Surely you are smart enough to realize how obvious an association it is to make?

EXCUSE ME for making a comment which doesn't directly concern you

 

[posthuman]

Going to ignore and agree to disagree.

Pretty happy to not be your brother's keeper eh

 

[SIMON55]

You might be happy to know there's no budget this year at my company for saturn-day coverage, so I won't be volunteering my time in 2019 to be the servant of my employer on those days.

But is saturn-day really sabbath? The Bible describes a lunar calendar; is the sabbath those under Moses kept counted from the new moon? Every other day was.

Correct the prophetical word of God is based in Gods calender of record as consistently kept by Orthodox Jew.....but focusing on a specific day of week and calender accuracy is not going to gain you true perspective on the entire Mark of authority.
Prophetically and historically there exist the mountain of aspects described by God.
If even after tossing out an obsession for a calender day of the week and or if applicable a genuine hatred for a denominational indication falsely and obsessively alleged against me...you still find yourself unable to discern 2500 yr of exact historical reproof then by all means cling to any fly away doctrine that Ezekiel quotes God as rejecting.
Enjoy the pillows. Just don't ask me to sew them.

 

[SIMON55]

Wow man, i only mention the acronym once. Hardly qualifies as obsession. Surely you are smart enough to realize how obvious an association it is to make?

EXCUSE ME for making a comment which doesn't directly concern you

Well if you don't think it concerns me then you haven't read the thread or offensive insults slung at me from the start that assumed I was here to promote a 200 yr old denominational doctrine.
I'm not a denomination recruiter....and as far as days go I try to study and worship everyday but no matter what days I choose it isn't going to change history or the prophetic word exactly matching. Sunday through friday and work like hell on saturn day......the evidence of the prophetic mark will remain unchanged....
I don't prescribe to religion, ritualism or ceremonialism.....and my discernment isn't bound by anything but the Ruach....and what God decides for me.