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eternally-gratefull

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Time to put you on ignore, another in a long line of Christians who do not have the maturity of understanding they should have. I did not come on this website to debate with such people
It is obvious your not here to do anything but push your theology and ignore anyone whomdisagrees with you, i am suprised your allowed to stay at all.
 

unclesilas

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oh, I have been reading the Bible most every day for 18+ years.

I know what it says.

how many times have you read it all the through?
If I am really honest, the new testament well over a hundred times, the old not as much
 

Hevosmies

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Bondage of the will???
You've never heard of it? Luther, bondage of the will.

It means that when Adam fell, since then our will is bound. We arent in a neutral default mode as the pelagians believe. But thats another topic for another time.
SIN NATURE basically.
 

Hevosmies

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one thing worse than no security is false security

i have already explained John 10:27.......lets do it again

John 10:27-28 (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


notice: "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."

dont deny the plain statement of God's Word -- "My sheep follow me." There are no exceptions allowed.

these are all present-tense statements. "They are hearing My voice"; "they are following Me"; "I am giving eternal life"; those who are so doing "shall never perish."

There is absolutely nothing in this scripture, or anywhere else in the Bible, to give false confidence to any who are not now following the Lord, whatever their past might have been.

Nobody on this website is authorized to rewrite this passage to read, "They once heard My voice and followed Me, and I give unto them eternal life."

By no stretch of the imagination can these verses properly be supposed to give security to wandering, straying sheep, who go after the thief that comes to steal, kill, and destroy (v. 10).

Reduced to its simplest logic, this passage asserts: All who are secure are Christ's sheep; None who do not follow are Christ's sheep. Therefore, none who do not follow are secure.
TWISTING AGAIN!

The arminian slant.

Problem with your view is: Jesus promises to raise them up at the last day as well. Oy vey! But only if they obey right?

Arminian twist is = Those who are hearing my voice and following me are my sheep and know me.

TURNED it on its head!
 
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It is obvious your not here to do anything but push your theology and ignore anyone whomdisagrees with you, i am suprised your allowed to stay at all.
AMEN......he has been bloviating since day one.......and any so called believer that cannot say JESUS is GOD needs to be sent packing....
 

Hevosmies

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If I am really honest, the new testament well over a hundred times
Still cant tell us whether Jesus is God or not?

Did you read it blind folded?

Or were you so busy keeping your salvation that you couldnt focus on your studies?
 
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If I am really honest, the new testament well over a hundred times, the old not as much
Do you believe JESUS is GOD?

and if you never study the O.T. no wonder you are so out of whack on the N.T......that is akin to shooting a long gun with no rear sights........consistently miss the mark....which you do quite regularly.....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I think people forget the price,

God wraps us in salvation with his own flesh and blood, as God wrapped adam and eve with the skin of animals, and the high priest covered the sin of the people with the blood of the killed animal, so the cherub could not see what accused the people, and as john recognized, jesus is the lamb of god, who removes the sin of us all.

They seem to think they can wrap themselfs, or worse yet, they can open the door of the ark and jump out. (Or unwrap themselves)

They forget salvation was not something we could do, as a person who has fallen into rushing water totally unable to save themselves, then think that if the person is saved, they would jump back into that water, knowing they would have to be saved again, because they did not learn the first time?

Pride is a hard thing to break, we can just pray God break the pride of those whomare so close to truth, but so far from it, pray they are not of those who will stand on their merit, only to be told depart because you NEVER KNEW THEM.
 
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TWISTING AGAIN!

The arminian slant.

Problem with your view is: Jesus promises to raise them up at the last day as well. Oy vey! But only if they obey right?

Arminian twist is = Those who are hearing my voice and following me are my sheep and know me.

TURNED it on its head!
AMEN.........the false security that he speaks of --->Saved but can be lost and must be kept or maintained by man.......
 

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You disagree with Scripture, and many of those who uphold it.
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

No law, no order but just chaos and LAWLESSNESS. Do you follow the laws of your country? Wouldn't it be more righteous and wise to follow and obey God's laws and commands just as Jesus obeyed His Father's.

...Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

...But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 2 Timothy 3:1-9

...Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12

...Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. 1 Corinthians 14:36-38
 
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eternally-gratefull

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TWISTING AGAIN!

The arminian slant.

Problem with your view is: Jesus promises to raise them up at the last day as well. Oy vey! But only if they obey right?

Arminian twist is = Those who are hearing my voice and following me are my sheep and know me.

TURNED it on its head!
They are not all arminian, would try not to make t an arminain thing, arminians are just part of those who believe that way. Just saying bro!
 
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UnderGrace

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You've never heard of it? Luther, bondage of the will.

It means that when Adam fell, since then our will is bound. We arent in a neutral default mode as the pelagians believe. But thats another topic for another time.
SIN NATURE basically.
Well I am very well read up on the reformers, Sin nature was actually Augustine......not a fan.

Yes we all sin, I leave it that, no need for lengthy explanations go beyond what scripture states.
 
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I think people forget the price,

God wraps us in salvation with his own flesh and blood, as God wrapped adam and eve with the skin of animals, and the high priest covered the sin of the people with the blood of the killed animal, so the cherub could not see what accused the people, and as john recognized, jesus is the lamb of god, who removes the sin of us all.

They seem to think they can wrap themselfs, or worse yet, they can open the door of the ark and jump out. (Or unwrap themselves)

They forget salvation was not something we could do, as a person who has fallen into rushing water totally unable to save themselves, then think that if the person is saved, they would jump back into that water, knowing they would have to be saved again, because they did not learn the first time?

Pride is a hard thing to break, we can just pray God break the pride of those whomare so close to truth, but so far from it, pray they are not of those who will stand on their merit, only to be told depart because you NEVER KNEW THEM.
I stand amazed at the so called believers that claim salvation can be lost when the bible clearly states that the gifts and calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE.......and SALVATION is ONE of those gifts....

The Greek preposition translated IN should be studied by many.......<--serious

NOT only that but --->OUR lives are HID within CHRIST.....WHEN GOD the Father looks at us HE SEES HIS SON and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS......why cannot people grasp this simple truth
 

unclesilas

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Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. Romans 3:31

No law, no order but just chaos and LAWLESSNESS. Do you follow the laws of your country? Wouldn't it be more righteous and wise to follow and obey God's laws and commands just as Jesus obeyed His Father's.

...Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4

...But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth—men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 2 Timothy 3:1-9

...Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12

...Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored. 1 Corinthians 14:36-38
Amen, some actually believe the entire law got abolished. No law no consciousness of sin:
Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20
Rom3:31 is a great verse, it mirrors Rom6:14
 

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Modern slang. "I hate religion but love Jesus"

But the Bible uses the word religion in JAMES, look it up...
I will look it up. Yeah, looks like it is a religion. I guess that I always have heard and believed that religion was man's attempt to please God but apparently there is a religion that is pure and faultless as stated in James. Based on that verse I rescind my post that Christianity is not a religion. I actually learned something in this forum today. Thank you.