Not By Works

[UnderGrace]

I have never asked about the trinity,

I asked if you believe Christ Jesus is 100% God and also 100% human.

That he had a dual nature.

Waiting for what? You got your answer, which os more than I got for my two questions. I will tell you one thing though, snd you will probably have to be in denial about it. Roughly 95% of people on the internet would attest to Christ being God, in the trinitarian churches it is roughly a 50/50 split, and you will not find many trinitarian ministers who will push it
So why is it so different on the internet? Because so many have made head theology their god, and when you do that, you are in big trouble

 

[UnderGrace]

Waiting for what? You got your answer, which os more than I got for my two questions. I will tell you one thing though, snd you will probably have to be in denial about it. Roughly 95% of people on the internet would attest to Christ being God, in the trinitarian churches it is roughly a 50/50 split, and you will not find many trinitarian ministers who will push it
So why is it so different on the internet? Because so many have made head theology their god, and when you do that, you are in big trouble

Well if you are a JW that is completely head theology btw...

 

[CharliRenee]

That's because salvation IS earned ....
But must go now.

HE EARNED it on the cross and IS alive working in us.

 

[unclesilas]

I have never asked about the trinity,

I asked if you believe Christ Jesus is 100% God and also 100% human.

That he had a dual nature.

And the fact you go on and on asking that, even after the reply I gave to you, shows what an unhealthy state your Christianity is in. I'm afraid I have to repeat this, if you had much spiritual discernment you would have answered those two questions but you could not, and lacking true spiritual discernment brings you to keep asking the question you are.
You know something, you, dcon, eternally grateful and a host of others on this website, in effect believe a person will stand condemned on the day of judgement if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth.
See where your studying has led you to?

 

[tourist]

AMEN..........I have never in my life seen the type of dishonesty that I have seen in here by those that claim JESUS...........My lost neighbors are more honest than some.....

My Muslim friend from years ago acted more Christian than a lot of Christians that I know.

 

[unclesilas]

Well if you are a JW that is completely head theology btw...

Time to put you on ignore, another in a long line of Christians who do not have the maturity of understanding they should have. I did not come on this website to debate with such people

 

[Hevosmies]

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Galatians 6:9-10​

Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. So then, while we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, and especially to those who are of the household of the faith.​

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Matthew 5:38-48​

"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. "If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. ​

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Luke 6:27-36​

"But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your coat, do not withhold your shirt from him either.​

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1 Peter 3:8-13​

To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit; not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. For, "THE ONE WHO DESIRES LIFE, TO LOVE AND SEE GOOD DAYS, MUST KEEP HIS TONGUE FROM EVIL AND HIS LIPS FROM SPEAKING DECEIT.​

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Psalm 34:12-16​

Who is the man who desires life And loves length of days that he may see good? Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit. Depart from evil and do good; Seek peace and pursue it.​

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Hebrews 13:16​

And do not neglect doing good and sharing, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.​

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1 Peter 2:20​

For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.​

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1 Peter 3:17​

For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.​

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John 5:28-29​

"Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.​

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Luke 6:35​

"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High; for He Himself is kind to ungrateful and evil men.​

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Romans 2:5-11​

But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; ​

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1 Timothy 6:17-19​

Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed.​

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2 Timothy 2:20-21​

Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.​

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James 2:14-21​

What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?​

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James 3:13​

Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom.​

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2 Corinthians 9:8​

And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed;​

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Acts 9:36​

Now in Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which translated in Greek is called Dorcas); this woman was abounding with deeds of kindness and charity which she continually did.​

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Philippians 2:12-13​

So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.​

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Colossians 1:10-12​

so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.​

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Ephesians 2:10​

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.​

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2 Timothy 2:21​

Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.​

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2 Timothy 3:16-17​

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.​

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1 Peter 2:13-15​

Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance ​

These verses alone PROVE Christianity is not a manmade religion. Doing GOOD to those who mistreat you, and praying for them? WHAT???
No cult leader would ever want that.

But guys, when it says pray for those who mistreat you, WHAT should we pray about?

 

[Hevosmies]

@GodsGrace101 did you used to be a catholic?

Have you converted to eternal security yet?
proof of eternal security 100% irrefutable:


Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I highlighted the word "I know them" because Jesus KNOWS the sheep. Now this proves sheep will always be sheep:

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

There Jesus casts folks into hell and He NEVER knew them, not used to know them but the sheep evolutionized into goats!

--Sorry for posting the same thing again, i'll try one more time--

 

[gb9]

Time to put you on ignore, another in a long line of Christians who do not have the maturity of understanding they should have. I did not come on this website to debate with such people

apparently, you did not come here to talk about Jesus either.

 

[unclesilas]

apparently, you did not come here to talk about Jesus either.

In what sense?

 

[tourist]

That's because salvation IS earned ....
But must go now.

I'm not sure what we could ever do that would earn salvation. If salvation is earned than we are all poor

 

[CharliRenee]

I will say that this thread has caused many new screen names...

I want to reply to them with...

Iseeyourunningamuck lol

 

[gb9]

In what sense?

was He fully God on when He was on earth.

that sense.

 

[Hevosmies]

Just can't accept defeat, can you?

I'm sure Catholics are not interested in having YOU make up their doctrine...
they can do that all by themselves.

Now God inspired the Greek word....
So now God speaks Greek specially for YOU.

And as for Catholics setting standards...
If it wasn't for THEM,,, YOU wouldn't have a faith.
They're the ones that saved the Christian faith for you.
They're the ones that put the inspired N.T. together.

And I'll tell you something else,,,
THEY have the truth more than YOU do.

Can't bring yourself to saying...
sorry,,,I made a mistake.

Unbelievable.

I think this proves you were a former catholic or are one now. Atleast a SYMPTHAZIER

you're on the wrong side of the reformation!


The reformers argued for: BONDAGE of the will, perseverance of the saints, eternal security, sola scriptura, sola fide, etc.
The catholics argued for: free will, Doityourself IKEA ritualcircus salvation, eternal insecurity, churchtradition trumps scripture.

Also what you said is just not true. The catholics DID NOT put the NT together, this is a common catholic argument that may fool those who dont know history. The canon was widely accepted before roman catholics ever showed up. They didnt SAVE the christian faith, they were PERSECUTING christians often times. I will grant them the battle of vienna and things like that, but those are largely poiltical things

And one more thing is that: Even if the catholics did canonize the NT, the FACT is, that the CATHOLIC church mentioned in church history by Augustine and the likes is NOTHING like the modern apostate Rome. Augustine would not call the current roman church his home.

 

[unclesilas]

was He fully God on when He was on earth.

that sense.

I have given my answer, and all you are showing is your immaturity also. I am going to repeat this once again. The average pew sitter has not studied, nor read the bible anywhere near as much as most of you on the internet, yet they are in a much healthier spiritual state than many are here, and they know much more of what is truly important in the faith

 

[tourist]

These verses alone PROVE Christianity is not a manmade religion. Doing GOOD to those who mistreat you, and praying for them? WHAT???
No cult leader would ever want that.

But guys, when it says pray for those who mistreat you, WHAT should we pray about?

Christianity is not a religion at all but rather a way of life striving to be Christ-like.

 

[UnderGrace]

Time to put you on ignore, another in a long line of Christians who do not have the maturity of understanding they should have. I did not come on this website to debate with such people

Something to hide

I would answer if someone asked me on the message board.

 

[gb9]

I have given my answer, and all you are showing is your immaturity also. I am going to repeat this once again. The average pew sitter has not studied, nor read the bible anywhere near as much as most of you on the internet, yet they are in a much healthier spiritual state than many are here, and they know much more of what is truly important in the faith

oh, I have been reading the Bible most every day for 18+ years.

I know what it says.

how many times have you read it all the through?

 

[UnderGrace]

I think this proves you were a former catholic or are one now. Atleast a SYMPTHAZIER

you're on the wrong side of the reformation!


The reformers argued for: BONDAGE of the will, perseverance of the saints, eternal security, sola scriptura, sola fide, etc.
The catholics argued for: free will, Doityourself IKEA ritualcircus salvation, eternal insecurity, churchtradition trumps scripture.

Also what you said is just not true. The catholics DID NOT put the NT together, this is a common catholic argument that may fool those who dont know history. The canon was widely accepted before roman catholics ever showed up. They didnt SAVE the christian faith, they were PERSECUTING christians often times. I will grant them the battle of vienna and things like that, but those are largely poiltical things

And one more thing is that: Even if the catholics did canonize the NT, the FACT is, that the CATHOLIC church mentioned in church history by Augustine and the likes is NOTHING like the modern apostate Rome. Augustine would not call the current roman church his home.

Bondage of the will???

 

[Hevosmies]

Thanks H, For including me with those other members.

I see I'm in good company.
I didn't see this before...it's getting late here, but I'll answer you like this:

Eternal Security is scriptural...it does HOWEVER have conditions, and you've perfectly laid them out in the verses you quoted.

Let's go through them one by one.

John:10:27
Jesus sheep:
a. Hear His voice.
b. He knows them.
c. They follow Him.

John 10:28
Jesus gives His sheep eternal life because they are following the conditions, which are
a, b and c.

John 10:29
Praise God...no MAN will be able to pluck you out of God's hand...
the devil might...and has....
and you could always walk out on your own...unless God has taken away your free will.
I still have my free will because I'm made in the image of God and HE also has free will (of course).

What exactly is this new idea I hear on this thread...
A sheep will always be a sheep.
Are they supposed to become a giraffe, or something?
OF COURSE a sheep always remains a sheep.


Mathew 7:23
Why bother to guess?
Jesus clearly states to whom He will profess "depart from Me, I never knew you".
You wrote it....He will say this to those who work iniquity...IOW, they're lawless and very sinful.
And look....He doesn't even mention the words "being saved".

Gosh...you'd think He was talking about WORKS.
Can it be? You better believe it.

You're going to keep bringing up something that does not agree with you?
Interesting.

I'll make a copy of this page and will paste it when you do.

Sorry! THread moving so fast I didnt know this was already twisted
oops i mean answered. was already answered.

Yeah no you just twisted it from: Sheep will follow Jesus and knows Jesus to -> In order to become a sheep or stay a sheep you must follow and know Jesus.

Typical arminian tactics!