Not By Works

[Budman]

sin should never be excused......have you seen the cross of our Christ.........if you want to know what God thinks of sin, look at the cross and you'll stop making excuses for it..

i noticed you didn't address the scriptures i gave you.

do you believe what bible say? or you looking for excuses to live the way you want?

As I see you ignored to scriptures you were given. You also ignore the fact you too "live the way" you want when you choose to sin - which you do every day. But your ilk loves to get on that high horse and condemn others for "not following the commands" of Jesus while you ignore them yourself by your own sinning.

You are a classic hypocrite.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now you've been completely exposed. Mailmandan backed you into a corner and you're absolutely squirming to get out. Whatever credibility you had is now long gone.

Gotta love people who will not come out and simply answer basic questions, what are they hiding? And why can not they see what they are doing?

 

[dcontroversal]

Then the "eternal life" Jesus promised isn't eternal - only probationary, predicated upon our continual belief.

Which again, would make God a liar.

One truth refutes their cake taking dogma

The gifts and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE

The bible states that the GIFTS of GOD are IRREVOCABLE

Salvation is a GIFT it is IRREVOCABLE yet they say it is REVOCABLE

One of them is wrong.............!

 

[50C1AL0N3]

no sir, it doesn't make God a liar.......it means OSAS crowd wants to cherry pick God's word for there favorite candy sticks

do you know the meaning of "eternal life"?

John 17:1-3 (KJV)
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Now lets allow the BIBLE, to be it's own commentary...........balancing scriptures with scriptures

verse 3 this is Eternal life----is "knowing God

1 John 2:3-5 (KJV)
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

if you dont keep his commandments, you dont know HIM, if you don't know HIM you do not have eternal life

here, lets do another one of OSAS candy stick verses

1 John 5:11-12 (KJV)
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

again lets balance scripture with scripture

2 John 1:9 (KJV)
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:11-12 eternal life is in the son.........if you have the Son you have life......if you have not the son, you have not life

if you transgress, and abide not.......you dont have God....

so, eternal life is given to those who "hath God"
if you transgress and abide not.....you don't have God

lets look at who does has eternal life​

Jesus answers, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death" (John 8:51).

Paul replies that God "will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life" (Rom. 2:6-7).

The writer to the Hebrews states that Christ is "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (5:9).

John adds: "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (I John 2:24-25).

This is an impressive array of clear-cut, unambiguous answers. Who has and shall have eternal life?
Those who keep Christ's sayings; those who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality; those who obey the Lord; and those who continue in the Son and in the Father. None other need apply.

Shoot, I'm going to hell. I might as well just live an all out evil life cuz I can't follow his commandments when I try my hardest. Shoot, I mean shit, that sucks I never had Christ

 

[Goodnewsman]

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA at least we can be honest with context and the actual verbiage............I see we have another cake taker here now.........task master.......imagine his congregation......afraid to pass gas because they may lose their salvation...............

if i could buy you for what your worth, and sell you for what you think your worth i would be a millionaire

thats how you guys roll on here though, i give you several verses to consider, and instead of addressing them, all you can do is attack my congregation that you dont even know

oh well, a dog can whip a skunk but the dog must ask itself "is this really worth it?"

 

[GodsGrace101]

Any doctrine that puffs themselves up as more worthy that the backslider to enter heaven, and judges other people even though according to the law. They would be condemned themselves along with those backsliders is depending on self and his power to maintain his own salvation and not the power of god to keep them like god promised, is just as dangerous and destructive to God and his character as easy believism which says say this sinners prayer, then your saved, go live your life however you want, you do not have to repent, just say this prayer.

Sorry, but the pharisee pumping his chest about not being like the backslider who left following his teligion is really no different

Lets be th tax collector always, not the pharisee.

How about this...
It's better to be "puffed up" and go to heaven because it's doing what God wants us to do...


than to be "humble" and end up in hell.

Who's puffed up anyway?
I think those that think they could sin and disobey GOD are the ones
that are puffed up.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is pointless to bring up. A strawman as you say.




You don't believe GOD leads us into all truth through Christ; through HIS Spirit?

Yes i do

But you do too

And we believe apposing gospels.

So which one of us is being led by god? He cant be leading both of us

See what i mean about the strawman, we both can use it, but does it prove our argument, or show us to be right? No..

 

[unclesilas]

Gosh MMD, you're a smart guy but you could be so dense at times.

You got your answer in post no. 86,311 by @unclesilas ...

He's right, you just don't UNDERSTAND it.

Now could we stop this nonsense?


Here's the post 86,311

@unclesilas says:

I believe People in effect have a trinity of Father,, Son and the bible. The Holy Spirit is much ignored and that is why they canot spiritually discern what is written in reputable translations of the bible. They rely o,n their little grey cells to learn and so go off scurrying away to the greek and concordances to gain what they consider deep understanding of the word. Only one can give you that, and he most certainly does not rely on you reading the greek to teach you

But they always have to try and deflect away any which way they can when they cannot explain what you ask them too. Some come sadly, seeking to impress others with what they think they know(which is not as much as they think they know) so, in order to keep the street cred they hope they have, deflection is the tool used to avoid a question they cannot answer

 

[GodsGrace101]

Shoot, I'm going to hell. I might as well just live an all out evil life cuz I can't follow his commandments when I try my hardest. Shoot, I mean shit, that sucks I never had Christ

Persons who believe in OSAS tend to act as you just did and speak as you just did.
Even if you're being sarcastic....what kind of language is that for a Christian to speak?

1 Corinthians 11:1
1Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.

 

[Budman]

Who's puffed up anyway?
I think those that think they could sin and disobey GOD are the ones
that are puffed up.

How many sins do you commit a day, Fran?

 

[Goodnewsman]

Shoot, I'm going to hell. I might as well just live an all out evil life cuz I can't follow his commandments when I try my hardest. Shoot, I mean shit, that sucks I never had Christ

i perceive that you are still in the gall of bitterness my friend.....repent and be converted or you will go to hell and thats no laughing matter

do you see dcon, eg......this is what your OSAS produces..............so called cursing christian's that mock the idea of going to hell....may God have mercy on your souls for "holding the truth of God in unrighteousness"

is cursing allowed on here?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if i could buy you for what your worth, and sell you for what you think your worth i would be a millionaire

thats how you guys roll on here though, i give you several verses to consider, and instead of addressing them, all you can do is attack my congregation that you dont even know

oh well, a dog can whip a skunk but the dog must ask itself "is this really worth it?"

Um unless i am mistaken

DC does not think he is worth anything, he understands he had to be purchased and still does not measure up,

If i am wrong DC can correct me.

 

[dcontroversal]

People forget, when jesus says anyone, who does he mean? Well i am a someone, so it must mean me, i can not snatch myself out of gods hands.

If your child is trying to jump of a cliff, are you going to let go of them? Are you going to let them overpower you to break free and kill himself.

Well if we could lose salvation, that would be lik jumping of a cliff. Both would cause death, and you , or I or anyone would never let ou child jump, why do we think God would?

There are so many promises and truths that must be flat ignored or tossed out the back door to teach a losable salvation and the bible does not contradict itself.....IF salvation was not eternally given as an IRREVOCABLE GIFT, ALL of those promises and verses would NOT be in the bible, GOD would not use ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, IRREVOCABLE, INCORRUPTIBLE, SEALED UNTO, KEPT by HIS POWER, SAVED TO THE UTTERMOST, NEVER LEAVE, NEVER FORSAKE, LOSE NOTHING, BEGIN, FINISH and COMPLETE etc......

 

[GodsGrace101]

I have never said that..........but I have said the truth will lead us all to the same conclusions if we are HONEST with the verbiage, verb tense and context.....so....FRAN......you should really quit accusing me of saying things I do not say....nor imply!

I didn't mean you. You never say that.
But, boy, you do say
verbiage
verb tense
context

A LOT!

And you KNOW I love the PRESENT TENSE.
Those who BELIEVE are saved...
Those who obey are saved...

I had to add that in because a poster just before used some really nice language that God must love and he reminded me about OBEDIENCE.

A word you also do not care for.

 

[dcontroversal]

i perceive that you are still in the gall of bitterness my friend.....repent and be converted or you will go to hell and thats no laughing matter

do you see dcon, eg......this is what your OSAS produces..............so called cursing christian's that mock the idea of going to hell....may God have mercy on your souls for "holding the truth of God in unrighteousness"

is cursing allowed on here?

Get your facts straight deceiver.....your words have proven no honesty or integrity........!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i perceive that you are still in the gall of bitterness my friend.....repent and be converted or you will go to hell and thats no laughing matter

do you see dcon, eg......this is what your OSAS produces..............so called cursing christian's that mock the idea of going to hell....may God have mercy on your souls for "holding the truth of God in unrighteousness"

is cursing allowed on here?

The mods will take care of it, they have before.

Do not forget the remove that plank though!

Pauls teaching caused people to think mere belief saved them, does that negate pauls teachings?

The truth is the truth no matter what, the jews made up laws to help prevent them from going to far and try to make it harder, was that a good idea?

Niether is turning grace to works a good idea just because som people may use it to go the other Way.

 

[mailmandan]

@unclesilas means that you're making the bible into a God. How could you ask him such a dumb question after all he's posted?

Making the Bible into a God? No, but the Bible is God's word. Asking someone if they believe in the Trinity and if they believe that Jesus is God is a dumb question? Are you serious?

He has not posted a YES or NO answer to my simple questions, yet you will still defend him regardless.

Do you all even read posts or do you just like to argue?

I could ask you the same question.

Instead of listening to GOD
You stick to every word of the bible as if your life depended on it.
And no, it does NOT depend on IT... your life is in the hands of God.

Listening to every word of the Bible is listening to God because the Bible is inspired by God.

In post 86,313, @eternally-grateful states that commentators write what they believe.
You've stated that the NIV writes the word prize after 1 Corinthians. Of course you surely know that the NIV is a believer in OSAS....and if you also notice, NONE of the other versions ADDED this word to the verse. Including the YLT. As you've said many times.......we are NOT to add words to scripture...so why do you post a bible that clearly adds words to scripture?

In context, Paul mentions "prize" in verse 24, so is that really adding to scripture? The NIV is a thought for thought translation. Is salvation a gift (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8) or a prize?

Being rejected, castaway, disapproved, diqualified refers to salvation. Paul did not go on his missionary journeys to teach how to get a prize.

A prize is not the gift of eternal life, so it does not refer to salvation.

He repeats this idea in
Philippians 3:13-15
13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,
14I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
15Let us therefore, as many as are perfect, have this attitude; and if in anything you have a different attitude, God will reveal that also to you;
16however, let us keep living by that same standard to which we have attained.

What is the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus? In the process of ongoing sanctification, we are reaching to what lies ahead and we press on to be become mature in Christ. Paul was already saved and in Christ and was not reaching forward to obtain salvation.

And here it is in the NIV:

13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
15All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
16Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

Paul presses on toward the goal to win the prize, just as an Olympian presses on toward the goal to win the prize of the gold medal in the Olympics.

And what is this prize/crown?

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

In context (vs. 25) Paul mentions an imperishable crown.
The Bible mentions multiple crowns in scripture. - https://www.gotquestions.org/heavenly-crowns.html

God has promised us ETERNAL LIFE, not a prize.

God has promised believers eternal life (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; 1 John 5:13).

Read 1 Corinthians 4:4-5
4

For I am conscious of nothing against myself, yet I am not by this acquitted; but the one who examines me is the Lord.
5Therefore do not go on passing judgment before the time, but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men’s hearts; and then each man’s praise will come to him from God.

Paul is stating above that he doesn't even trust his own judgement but he, and we, must wait till Jesus' return when HE will do the judging.

In the ultimate sense in regards to everything, yes. Only God fully knows the hearts of men.

 

[Budman]

I had to add that in because a poster just before used some really nice language that God must love and he reminded me about OBEDIENCE.

A word you also do not care for.

Are you being obedient when you sin every day, Fran? Were you being obedient when you got banned and tried to deceive by coming back in under another moniker?

 

[Goodnewsman]

As I see you ignored to scriptures you were given. You also ignore the fact you too "live the way" you want when you choose to sin - which you do every day. But your ilk loves to get on that high horse and condemn others for "not following the commands" of Jesus while you ignore them yourself by your own sinning.

You are a classic hypocrite.

have you took your medicine this morning bud?

my response was answering your questions......the problem is that you can not refute them so you attack me as a hypocrite.......

show me where i was wrong......alll i have given is scripture, plainly written about eternal life

as i have told dcon "if you dont like the mail, don't get mad at the mailman, i didn't write it"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There are so many promises and truths that must be flat ignored or tossed out the back door to teach a losable salvation and the bible does not contradict itself.....IF salvation was not eternally given as an IRREVOCABLE GIFT, ALL of those promises and verses would NOT be in the bible, GOD would not use ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, IRREVOCABLE, INCORRUPTIBLE, SEALED UNTO, KEPT by HIS POWER, SAVED TO THE UTTERMOST, NEVER LEAVE, NEVER FORSAKE, LOSE NOTHING, BEGIN, FINISH and COMPLETE etc......

Remember, people think Gods eternal promise to Israel is not eternal and God has revoked this promises to them

So its easy to see why God would do this to us also. Its called pride.