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dcontroversal said:
Because the door keeps being widened by faith being embellished with every flavor of religious hoop jumping...........and anyone with eyes open can see that the letters were written to instruct us how to LIVE.....NOT how to be saved eternally!
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Oh. So how we live has nothing to do with being saved eternally?

Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus said:
16And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?”
17And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18Then he said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS; 19HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
 
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DC- it takes years of growth and maturity to bear fruit

Eternally grateful- God can use a new believer's changed life to bear souls to Himself

EG completely contradicted DC's statement above

A changed life that God uses to draw people to Himself is bearing fruit.

And DC did not say it might take years, he said it does take years. Indicative, not subjunctive statement

but EG tried to change it to a subjunctive.

These are the dishonest ones, not me
 
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dcontroversal said:
I will wait for yo to cut and past a post where I said the bolded Fran........

and I tell no one anything other than there is only one gospel of salvation....and faith plus works to gain, keep, finish, top off or embellish salvation is not it.....a false message with no power to save, double cursed and all who believe it are fools and bewitched.....<---GOD said that by the hand of PAUL....take it up wit GOD....your beef is with GOD..not me.....

NOW....cut and paste where I HAVE SAID what you accused me of saying....VERBATIM.....no post NUMBER....actually cut and past my words with the post number....we will wait FRAN
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Sure.
As soon as those that have accused me (and others here) of something do the same.
 
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Macabeus said:
DC- it takes years of growth and maturity to bear fruit

Eternally grateful- God can use a new believer's changed life to bear souls to Himself

EG completely contradicted DC's statement above

A changed life that God uses to draw people to Himself is bearing fruit.

And DC did not say it might take years, he said it does take years. Indicative, not subjunctive statement

but EG tried to change it to a subjunctive.

These are the dishonest ones, not me
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Anybody that can read knows what's going on....
 
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unclesilas said:
Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. Luke8:13

But then, on the internet anything can be dismissed or turned around to mean anything you want it to can't it? Not much chance of serious discussion then. Do you believe in instant justification BTW?
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Does the judge state/declare innocent or guilty in one breathe?
 
GodsGrace101 said:
Sure.
As soon as those that have accused me (and others here) of something do the same.
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GodsGrace101 said:
Sure.
As soon as those that have accused me (and others here) of something do the same.
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THE DCON gang always accuses, calls names, attacks but never provides post numbers or quotes.

Just look how long it takes GB9 to provide quotes.

and now one of the gang will bring up a mistake I made, acknowledged and apologized for three times. Because they lack graciousness.
 
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UnderGrace said:
Does the judge state/declare innocent or guilty in one breathe?
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If you are referring to at what point one receives justification, immediately at the point of conversion, they are therefore immediately placed in a saved state. So they would be in a saved state before the time of testing when they fell away(as you responded to the parable of the sower)
 
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unclesilas said:
If you are referring to at what point one receives justification, immediately at the point of conversion, they are therefore immediately placed in a saved state. So they would be in a saved state before the time of testing when they fell away
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Testing does not unjustify, innocent is a eternal decree, not temporal
 
Macabeus said:
THE DCON gang always accuses, calls names, attacks but never provides post numbers or quotes.

Just look how long it takes GB9 to provide quotes.

and now one of the gang will bring up a mistake I made, acknowledged and apologized for three times. Because they lack graciousness.
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Why not put them on ignore, I have
 
Macabeus said:
THE DCON gang always accuses, calls names, attacks but never provides post numbers or quotes.

Just look how long it takes GB9 to provide quotes.

and now one of the gang will bring up a mistake I made, acknowledged and apologized for three times. Because they lack graciousness.
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Don't worry about it.
They have fun doing this.
And yet.....
They are preaching the gospel of Jesus The Christ.
Who hung on a bloody cross for them....

Romans 8:5
For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Is the Spirit here?
 
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Macabeus said:
DC- it takes years of growth and maturity to bear fruit

Eternally grateful- God can use a new believer's changed life to bear souls to Himself

EG completely contradicted DC's statement above

A changed life that God uses to draw people to Himself is bearing fruit.

And DC did not say it might take years, he said it does take years. Indicative, not subjunctive statement

but EG tried to change it to a subjunctive.

These are the dishonest ones, not me
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Hey you forgot about me!!!
 
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GodsGrace101 said:
Don't worry about it.
They have fun doing this.
And yet.....
They are preaching the gospel of Jesus The Christ.
Who hung on a bloody cross for them....

Romans 8:5
For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Is the Spirit here?
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Is this where you tells us it was a waste for Him to die for us?
 
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UnderGrace said:
Parable of the sower is not about staying saved.
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Whats the point in debating any of these people, they will ignore anything they want or do gymnastics with the plain words of the bible in order to make it fit their views. Or they may scour every translation of the bible available in order to find one that can better fit that purpose
 
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