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Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.’ Mark3:28
Eternally grateful wrote, concerning the above verse:
Jesus said in mark 3 all sin will be forgive, he spoke of person sins, each sin a person commits, he said they will be forgiven, he paid for them on the cross. The double jeapardy rule applies here, if jesus paid the debt, a person can not be charged for that debt again, (that is also what the splattering of blood on the mercy seat represented, you also need to go back and testudy the law, you are missing some important points there)
thats why at the great white throne no one is judged for any sin,
But what he wrote is not true is it. For in that verse Jesus stated blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven
Now let me say, I di believe Jesus paid the price of all a believers sin at Calvary, past, present and future. But according to the bible, it is not as simple as a few on this website like to make out it is. One can only wonder why they only want to talk about this, one can only imagine.
Anyway, back to Eternally Gratefulls explanation. Who was Jesus referring to in Mark3:28? Well if I aksed Eternally gratefull if there is anything a believer cannot be forgiven of, he is going to reply ‘’No’’ And I also do not believe there is any individual sin the believer cannot be forgiven of. And so, he and I must both accept Jesus is not referring to believers in that verse, that is not why he stated what he did, it concerned unbelievers obviously. Jesus made that statement because unbelievers said he was possessed by an unclean spirit/demons and he healed people/drove out demons by Beelzebub. That is why Jesus said what he did.
So as we know it was in reference to unbelievers, what does that tell us? Any sin an unbeliever commits can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven.
In Gal5:19-21 Paul was warning believers if they lived in certain ways they would be barred from the kingdom of Heaven. Two very different things which cannot be linked, one concerned unbelievers, and one believers. Though even now, I am sure they will try to be
Eternally grateful wrote, concerning the above verse:
Jesus said in mark 3 all sin will be forgive, he spoke of person sins, each sin a person commits, he said they will be forgiven, he paid for them on the cross. The double jeapardy rule applies here, if jesus paid the debt, a person can not be charged for that debt again, (that is also what the splattering of blood on the mercy seat represented, you also need to go back and testudy the law, you are missing some important points there)
thats why at the great white throne no one is judged for any sin,
But what he wrote is not true is it. For in that verse Jesus stated blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven
Now let me say, I di believe Jesus paid the price of all a believers sin at Calvary, past, present and future. But according to the bible, it is not as simple as a few on this website like to make out it is. One can only wonder why they only want to talk about this, one can only imagine.
Anyway, back to Eternally Gratefulls explanation. Who was Jesus referring to in Mark3:28? Well if I aksed Eternally gratefull if there is anything a believer cannot be forgiven of, he is going to reply ‘’No’’ And I also do not believe there is any individual sin the believer cannot be forgiven of. And so, he and I must both accept Jesus is not referring to believers in that verse, that is not why he stated what he did, it concerned unbelievers obviously. Jesus made that statement because unbelievers said he was possessed by an unclean spirit/demons and he healed people/drove out demons by Beelzebub. That is why Jesus said what he did.
So as we know it was in reference to unbelievers, what does that tell us? Any sin an unbeliever commits can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven.
In Gal5:19-21 Paul was warning believers if they lived in certain ways they would be barred from the kingdom of Heaven. Two very different things which cannot be linked, one concerned unbelievers, and one believers. Though even now, I am sure they will try to be
WOW!! I am almost speachless!
Today, As I pondered your positions on scriptures that we have discussed I knew if you were honest, you would have to say YES
I honestly pray God open your eyes
Love must have a choice. If love doesn't have a choice it can't be called love.
The same way you can't force a woman to love you and marry you. If you did it couldn't be called love
God will not force us to love Him. We chose have to love him
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37-40 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:15, 21-24 KJV
Today, As I pondered your positions on scriptures that we have discussed I knew if you were honest, you would have to say YES
I honestly pray God open your eyes
Love must have a choice. If love doesn't have a choice it can't be called love.
The same way you can't force a woman to love you and marry you. If you did it couldn't be called love
God will not force us to love Him. We chose have to love him
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37-40 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:15, 21-24 KJV
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Its astonishing that you malign me as much as you do, then claim I am a bully. Oh well.
The difference between us is I have a complete bible, you do not, you only have what you feel happy to accept.
As for you saying Paul's words stand, no one can contradict them, Im speechless, I truly am
The difference between us is I have a complete bible, you do not, you only have what you feel happy to accept.
As for you saying Paul's words stand, no one can contradict them, Im speechless, I truly am
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Using your own example. You are not going to marry someone you just met, and even if you have one of those arranged marraiges where you marry someone you do not know, everyone knows you could not love that person, again, the english word love is flawed, people think that because you see som attactive lady and have feeling you love her, sorry, that is list not love, you love people you get to know, the more you get to know them the more you love them, or the more they fail you and you realise they are not trustworthy and never find love for that person.
Yep, and before you were saved you continually broke both commands, because you had no capacity to do either, the moment god adopted you, you can have psuedo love out of gratitude that god saved you, and in this start to learn to obey god more than self, in obsience to those commands, but again, a baby can not love.
So the day you got saved you immedietly started obeying all of gods commands without question?
If you did, i want to shake your hand because your the first person i ever met who ever did that,
You know what comes with love and getting to really know God? What comes is the realisation you are a worse sinner than you even hougt you were, your filth is more and more revealed, and it makes you sick inside, and this makes you love god even more, and desire even more to seek the things of the spirit, and not the things of the flesh, even the hint of any possibility god would ever remove his salvation from you would scare you so much, the fear would paralise you,
i am sorry bro, but if you think you can lose salvation, you have not found or gotten to know god the way i have, because you have yet to fully realise how much of a sinner you are, if you are saved, (cant judge only God can) i would consider you still in the child stage, not yet fully comprehending god and his standard, let alone his unfathonable love. Because if you did, you would not be saying the things you say[/quote][/quote]
Yep, and before you were saved you continually broke both commands, because you had no capacity to do either, the moment god adopted you, you can have psuedo love out of gratitude that god saved you, and in this start to learn to obey god more than self, in obsience to those commands, but again, a baby can not love.
So the day you got saved you immedietly started obeying all of gods commands without question?
If you did, i want to shake your hand because your the first person i ever met who ever did that,
You know what comes with love and getting to really know God? What comes is the realisation you are a worse sinner than you even hougt you were, your filth is more and more revealed, and it makes you sick inside, and this makes you love god even more, and desire even more to seek the things of the spirit, and not the things of the flesh, even the hint of any possibility god would ever remove his salvation from you would scare you so much, the fear would paralise you,
i am sorry bro, but if you think you can lose salvation, you have not found or gotten to know god the way i have, because you have yet to fully realise how much of a sinner you are, if you are saved, (cant judge only God can) i would consider you still in the child stage, not yet fully comprehending god and his standard, let alone his unfathonable love. Because if you did, you would not be saying the things you say[/quote][/quote]
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i have 200+ pages to catch up on, but it seems to me that there is a misunderstanding going on over the last few pages because EG has for himself a working definition from a very high view of love - that he says to himself, 'if i am not perfectly loving someone, as Christ loves, then how can i say i truly love them?'
i dare not fault him for that
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i dare not fault him for that
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Still waiting on the salvation losers and salvation helpers to address the following....
1 year or 100 years makes no difference.......the truth is the truth and false teaching is false teaching.......just like Mother Theresa.....all those works have done NOTHING to earn, top off, finish or complete salvation and either she was eternally saved by faith or she was not saved...........
MANY will come before me in that day saying, "lord, Lord, have we not done blah blah blah in YOUR NAME........"
They claim HIM as LORD <--just as all false teachers do
They believe their works have earned the right to enter <----just as all false teacher do
Paul was clear....faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all that believe it are fools and bewitched......
So......I will not resort to bolded vitriol like you have but will ask......explain the following words...
KEPT by the power of GOD
Saved to the UTTERMOST
Born aging of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
SEALED unto the day of redemption
NEVER leave thee
NEVER forsake thee
GRACE abounds the more
The gift and calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
ETERNAL life
EVERLASTING life
WHEN I see the BLOOD I will pass over you
IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST
ETERNAL justification
SANCTIFIED positionally eternally
ALL of the above have to be false and or fail for a man to lose salvation.............your god must be very, very weak, or a liar or he cannot keep his word.............so which is it?
1 year or 100 years makes no difference.......the truth is the truth and false teaching is false teaching.......just like Mother Theresa.....all those works have done NOTHING to earn, top off, finish or complete salvation and either she was eternally saved by faith or she was not saved...........
MANY will come before me in that day saying, "lord, Lord, have we not done blah blah blah in YOUR NAME........"
They claim HIM as LORD <--just as all false teachers do
They believe their works have earned the right to enter <----just as all false teacher do
Paul was clear....faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all that believe it are fools and bewitched......
So......I will not resort to bolded vitriol like you have but will ask......explain the following words...
KEPT by the power of GOD
Saved to the UTTERMOST
Born aging of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
SEALED unto the day of redemption
NEVER leave thee
NEVER forsake thee
GRACE abounds the more
The gift and calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
ETERNAL life
EVERLASTING life
WHEN I see the BLOOD I will pass over you
IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST
ETERNAL justification
SANCTIFIED positionally eternally
ALL of the above have to be false and or fail for a man to lose salvation.............your god must be very, very weak, or a liar or he cannot keep his word.............so which is it?
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...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26
...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20
...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23
...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29
How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.
Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6
...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6[
...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20
...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23
...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
...For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29
How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.
Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?
Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?
Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?
Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)
Is it obedience to God to break the law?
Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?
Who then causes another person to sin?
...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9
...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6
...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6[
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If the osas for every believer contingent in this thread, (who are very vociferous in their beliefs) know the truth and others do not, perhaps one of them can explain something to the rest of us:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore, rom 3:20 could just as well be written as:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous/justified in his sight by not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Paul writing to believers:
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal5:19-21
How can the quote from Galatians be correct, bearing in mind what Paul wrote in rom3:20?
You cannot use the dual nature to explain it, for the things mentioned in Galatians would be acts of the flesh, therefore acts of the flesh could bar you from the kingdom of God.
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore, rom 3:20 could just as well be written as:
Therefore no one will be declared righteous/justified in his sight by not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Paul writing to believers:
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal5:19-21
How can the quote from Galatians be correct, bearing in mind what Paul wrote in rom3:20?
You cannot use the dual nature to explain it, for the things mentioned in Galatians would be acts of the flesh, therefore acts of the flesh could bar you from the kingdom of God.
Ok, wake up call for you, and the two carelessly readers who agree with you.
When you challenged me to give you a post numbers proving what DC said, I did. Now if you are a man of integrity, you will give me post numbers where I
A. Claimed that I manifest fruit all the time
B. I put a quantity in how many works were supposed to do
C. I gave a formula for how long it takes
D. I asked how many years it takes
E. I asked how long it takes
F. I inspected anyone's fruit..
G. I judged anyone
Give me some post numbers like I did, or you are a liar. This challenge is for the two who liked your post, who have been falsely judging me for days.
Gb9, Provide post numbers or do not reply to me again
And you never answered my question
When you challenged me to give you a post numbers proving what DC said, I did. Now if you are a man of integrity, you will give me post numbers where I
A. Claimed that I manifest fruit all the time
B. I put a quantity in how many works were supposed to do
C. I gave a formula for how long it takes
D. I asked how many years it takes
E. I asked how long it takes
F. I inspected anyone's fruit..
G. I judged anyone
Give me some post numbers like I did, or you are a liar. This challenge is for the two who liked your post, who have been falsely judging me for days.
Gb9, Provide post numbers or do not reply to me again
And you never answered my question
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