Not By Works

[Argueless]

... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes


No

So the thief on the cross is in hell?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I understand that...
I have been walking with our LORD for three years now , and after the first year , I was all over the place , one day I believed I was saved , the next I believed I was not , until God opened His promises to me and showed me not to fear , to trust Him...
I came into this thread still not knowing much , I was like a reed , blowing back and forth...Then every time I made an error with the word , my brothers and sisters in here would correct me , some kindly , some sternly , so I would go away with my face down and search the Scriptures , and thank God He directed me on His path , and I thank those here in this forum who helped me so much...xox...

And we thank God for you sis.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm sorry professor I didn't realize you was looking for intellectual stimulation with the questions you choose to answer.

I've been called an idiot before, and maybe I am...... But I am smart enough to know you did not answer my question. I'm going to ask it again and I'm typing real slooooooow

Do you think your adversary the devil believes the doctrine of OSAS?

I did not call you an idiot....just your response.......and the devil is delusional <----I could care less what he thinks.....the word of God is clear......so are the promises and power of Christ...............

 

[Rosemaryx]

I understand that...
I have been walking with our LORD for three years now , and after the first year , I was all over the place , one day I believed I was saved , the next I believed I was not , until God opened His promises to me and showed me not to fear , to trust Him...
I came into this thread still not knowing much , I was like a reed , blowing back and forth...Then every time I made an error with the word , my brothers and sisters in here would correct me , some kindly , some sternly , so I would go away with my face down and search the Scriptures , and thank God He directed me on His path , and I thank those here in this forum who helped me so much...xox...

Thank you for my X mark , it serves as two meanings to me .
1. A cross if I turn my head to the right or to the left bending my neck each side
2. A nice big kiss on my cheek,
God turns ashes into beauty , thank you once again...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I will put your constant attacks on me down to your Christian immaturity.

So does this mean your imature? I only speak to people certain ways when they speak that way, i treat people as they treat others.

I will copy once again my previous post to you, and embolden the reference to 1John3:9
Your accusation I am trying to make a doctrine out of one passage is ludicrous.
In the post I am recopying for you, I show 1John3:9 cannot be linked to Gal5:19-21, and I can easily prove Mark 3:28 cannot be linked to Gal5:19-21 either. So your understanding of scripture is shown to be, to put it mildly lacking. I am uninterested in the rest of your post and protestations, I can only assume you wrote it for public consumption and not my own. It is full of wild inaccuracies(to be nice) and should not be taken seriously

So your answer is you believe they can not be linked, so since you said it, i should just take it as gospel truth?

Sorry my friend, to many people have been led astray blindly following people, just because you think it is ludicris is just that.

Prove it, dont just say it,

Your little rant does not impress me. Your excuse for Gal5:19-21 is nonsensical. You wrote concerning it:

''sinners do those things it is their livelihood, believers can not live in thise sins anymore,''

Paul is writing to believers, and warning them of behaviour that would bar them from the kingdom of Heaven, as anyone with little discernment would know, apparantly, you, in your effort to stay with your false beliefs refuse to see what a child could see.
1John3:9 was responded to.
Lets make it easy for you, as you find it hard to grasp much. A person claims to have become a Christian, they are a drunk, habitual thief, and a constant blasphemer, God will accept them there and then on the basis of a righteousness of faith in Christ, but if no change subsequently takes place in them, they were never born of God in the first place(1John3:9) for they have just continued on in the sins they had before they claim to have become a Christian. Even if you cannot understand that I am confident others can. Faith without works is dead faith. 1John3:9 explained
Gal5:19-21 refers to a different scenario
People make a commitment to Christ, they receive the good news with joy. It is wonderful for them to have a saviour from sin, and they have had to do nothing to earn or deserve their salvation. But they made a shallow commitment, they did not count the cost of what following Jesus is(Luke ch14) Some change takes place in them(unlike the previous scenario), but when hardships or trials come along, their initial enthusiasm starts to wane, for they did not count the cost of discipleship. They can start drifting back into bad habits. And Paul, who obviously knew some in the Thesasalonian church could be as described warned them of the consequences of behaviour that would bar them from the kingdom of Heaven. Two different scenarios concerning 1John3:9&Gal5:19-21 But as you are having to go to ridiculous lengths to try and justify your errant beliefs continued discussion here is pointless.
BTW
There is a very good reason you cannot relate Mark3?:28 to Gal5:19-21. Lets play Bible Trivia, you are obviously excluded because you are adamant they can be linked. So the first person to give me the answer as to why they cannot be linked gets a thumbs up

The rest of this is just to nonsensical to even respond to

Again your issue is you fail to grasp the meaning of words

Jesus said in mark 3 all sin will be forgive, he spoke of person sins, each sin a person commits, he said they will be forgiven, he paid for them on the cross. The double jeapardy rule applies here, if jesus paid the debt, a person can not be charged for that debt again, (that is also what the splattering of blood on the mercy seat represented, you also need to go back and testudy the law, you are missing some important points there)

thats why at the great white throne no one is judged for any sin, they are judged for their works, and at the end of the day, all they have is bloody rags, or works of self righteousness, but even then, they are condemned, because they were not written in the book of life, why? Because they failed to repent and entrust their lives to god and were never adopted as gods child, while gods death paid for their sin, it did not pay for their unbelief.

Finally, 1 john, living in sin is living like the world 24/7 all you do is sin, whover does that has never seen god. A child of god can not live as he did before they were saved, 1 they would never want to, and 2 god will not allow them to.

David commited adultey, did he never know god? Of course not, abraham commited many sins, as did all the ot prophets even after they were made gods people by faith, you want to water down gods law and convince yourself you ar worthy, feel free, but stop judging people who continue in humility daily, knowing they will never measur up.

And this is the last time, if you can not learn to talk like a mature child of god without belittling everyone who disagrees with you, we are done.

 

[Rosemaryx]

That was nice to read. I hope you do not mind me saying this. It may be good to check with your minister anything people tell you on this website. I doubt there are many bona fide ministers on it.

To be honest , it is always wise to check the word of God first , Gods word over man any day...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus tells us not to worry , but to trust , lean an rely on Him...
If I believed I could lose my Salvation , I would be in fear every single day , the worry would keep my mind from Jesus...
Every believer has doubts , and I believe that can be quite good for us , a place where we can check ourselves to see if we are in the faith...
We are kept by the power of God , we do not keep ourselves , as I grow in the word , my love for Jesus just grows deeper and deeper , not shallower so I can barely see Him...
Maybe those who believe they can lose their Salvation is because they are spending so much time looking for a rabbit hole instead of worshipping our LORD and Savior who has done it all...
Just wanted to write that...xox...

Amen sis, maybe they will hear your words.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm sorry professor I didn't realize I had to give my credentials before I talk to such a theologian as yourself. To be honest I used the word "several" because I couldn't remember right off the top of my head while I was typing how many years I have been in the ministry. Boy, I won't make that mistake again

I'm sure no matter how long I have been studying the word of God I can never come up to where you are professor, but just so you know who you're laughing at:

I have been in the ministry for 25 years and made myself student of God's word. Me and my family evangelized full time for 7 years. While pastoring me and several other preachers out of our church started a mission work in Africa with a full-time missionary living in Cameroon and pastoring the church there. Over the last 12 years we have branched out from Cameroon and started 32 churches in the pygmy jungles, visiting and supporting each pastor every year. And digging Wells for fresh water in most of our pygmy villages

I Do STILL FEEL LIKE A NOVICE THOUGH

Good for you mate.........and no offence, but we both know....1 year or 100 years makes no difference.......the truth is the truth and false teaching is false teaching.......just like Mother Theresa.....all those works have done NOTHING to earn, top off, finish or complete salvation and either she was eternally saved by faith or she was not saved...........

MANY will come before me in that day saying, "lord, Lord, have we not done blah blah blah in YOUR NAME........"

They claim HIM as LORD <--just as all false teachers do
They believe their works have earned the right to enter <----just as all false teacher do

Paul was clear....faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all that believe it are fools and bewitched......

So......I will not resort to bolded vitriol like you have but will ask......explain the following words...

KEPT by the power of GOD
Saved to the UTTERMOST
Born aging of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
SEALED unto the day of redemption
NEVER leave thee
NEVER forsake thee
GRACE abounds the more
The gift and calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
ETERNAL life
EVERLASTING life
WHEN I see the BLOOD I will pass over you
IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST
ETERNAL justification
SANCTIFIED positionally eternally

ALL of the above have to be false and or fail for a man to lose salvation.............your god must be very, very weak, or a liar or he cannot keep his word.............so which is it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

My oh my

Says the person who does not understand what love is.

 

[unclesilas]

So does this mean your imature? I only speak to people certain ways when they speak that way, i treat people as they treat others.


So your answer is you believe they can not be linked, so since you said it, i should just take it as gospel truth?

Sorry my friend, to many people have been led astray blindly following people, just because you think it is ludicris is just that.

Prove it, dont just say it,


The rest of this is just to nonsensical to even respond to

Again your issue is you fail to grasp the meaning of words

Jesus said in mark 3 all sin will be forgive, he spoke of person sins, each sin a person commits, he said they will be forgiven, he paid for them on the cross. The double jeapardy rule applies here, if jesus paid the debt, a person can not be charged for that debt again, (that is also what the splattering of blood on the mercy seat represented, you also need to go back and testudy the law, you are missing some important points there)

thats why at the great white throne no one is judged for any sin, they are judged for their works, and at the end of the day, all they have is bloody rags, or works of self righteousness, but even then, they are condemned, because they were not written in the book of life, why? Because they failed to repent and entrust their lives to god and were never adopted as gods child, while gods death paid for their sin, it did not pay for their unbelief.

Finally, 1 john, living in sin is living like the world 24/7 all you do is sin, whover does that has never seen god. A child of god can not live as he did before they were saved, 1 they would never want to, and 2 god will not allow them to.

David commited adultey, did he never know god? Of course not, abraham commited many sins, as did all the ot prophets even after they were made gods people by faith, you want to water down gods law and convince yourself you ar worthy, feel free, but stop judging people who continue in humility daily, knowing they will never measur up.

And this is the last time, if you can not learn to talk like a mature child of god without belittling everyone who disagrees with you, we are done.

It was shown to you why they are not linked. Your reference to Mark 3, and your explanation concerning it simply proves how little you can discern scripture.

 

[dcontroversal]

Can I asked a very basic question without being called an idiot

Can a person go to heaven without loving God?

It is not that we loved him, but that he loved us and gave himself for us......................

You do understand that loving GOD is a process of growth and maturity right...................and that NO ONE automatically loves GOD......!

 

[unclesilas]

Says the person who does not understand what love is.

You carry on eternally grateful. Im afraid anyone who can write the comment you wrote that I responded to, is someone who in my view should not be taken seriously when discussing scripture, or any other opinions come to that.

 

[justpassinthrough]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAH does JESUS call it a goat or a sheep......exactly.....another deceiver.....!

No scripture, just foolish remarks?


That pretty well sums up your theology.


And that’s nothing to laugh about.


The Lord brought you back from a back slidden lifestyle and you spit in His face with your ungodly attitude and false doctrine.


Not funny.


Be afraid. Be very afraid!




One of His sheep became lost.


Not publicans and sinners.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7



Jesus is teaching His disciples what they must do, if one of His sheep wander away and become lost.



Matthew says it this way -



“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:12-17



Here are the steps to take to go after one of His sheep who has become lost.

1. Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.

2. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’​

3. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.​

JPT

 

[dcontroversal]

amen sister...


what a lovely Father we have to not only save us and adopt us as His own while we do not deserve it

but then continue to love us even through our mistakes


so much so to do whats best for us always wether it is tough love
silence or a gentle hand

in order we can help others who He loves and learn how to love as He does....


He is..... "unbelievable"😏
(pun intended... lol I not only believe Him but am learning more and more of Him and loving every second of it...)

You touched on a key word....ADOPTED..........it would do many good to study this concept from the word of GOD and a legal standpoint..........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was shown to you why they are not linked. Your reference to Mark 3, and your explanation concerning it simply proves how little you can discern scripture.

No it was not

All you gave was your opinion

Jesus words stand, as do johns, as do pauls, no on can contradict them, if the bible contradicts, ots worthless.

And again with your silly attack,

Go find someone else to bully, i am done.consider hourself on ignore, your nothing but a modern day pharisee who thinks they have the right to bully people into submission, i a, a follower of god not man,

 

[Argueless]

Good for you mate.........and no offence, but we both know....1 year or 100 years makes no difference.......the truth is the truth and false teaching is false teaching.......just like Mother Theresa.....all those works have done NOTHING to earn, top off, finish or complete salvation and either she was eternally saved by faith or she was not saved...........

MANY will come before me in that day saying, "lord, Lord, have we not done blah blah blah in YOUR NAME........"

They claim HIM as LORD <--just as all false teachers do
They believe their works have earned the right to enter <----just as all false teacher do

Paul was clear....faith plus works = false gospel, no power to save, double cursed and all that believe it are fools and bewitched......

So......I will not resort to bolded vitriol like you have but will ask......explain the following words...

KEPT by the power of GOD
Saved to the UTTERMOST
Born aging of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED
SEALED unto the day of redemption
NEVER leave thee
NEVER forsake thee
GRACE abounds the more
The gift and calling of GOD are IRREVOCABLE
ETERNAL life
EVERLASTING life
WHEN I see the BLOOD I will pass over you
IMPUTED righteousness of CHRIST
ETERNAL justification
SANCTIFIED positionally eternally

ALL of the above have to be false and or fail for a man to lose salvation.............your god must be very, very weak, or a liar or he cannot keep his word.............so which is it?

...If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You carry on eternally grateful. Im afraid anyone who can write the comment you wrote that I responded to, is someone who in my view should not be taken seriously when discussing scripture, or any other opinions come to that.

I will carry on, and my comment stand,

You can not love somone you do not know, you can not Know god enough to love him when hou are first adopted, no adopted child has the capacity to love a parent, that love must be earned, as we learn to step out and trust them, they more we find them trustowrthy and realise how much they love us, the more capacity we have to love them.

Your stuck in religion man, you can have it.

Now take your silly, arrogant, childish attacks and move on.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That has got to be the quickest a person has joined and found my ignore bin in the many years i have been here,

 

[Argueless]

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God. If they were deceived, why can't you?

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why refuse to take heed of them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?