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Budman said:
What sins do you commit daily that you excuse?
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None... When I look at the cross of Jesus Christ and see how he suffered for my sin I absolutely have no excuse

Rather than having an excuse for sin you should repent over sin like David in Psalm 51

The Bible says men love Darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil

I assume you have a list of sins you commit everyday? Rather than tell me what they are please repent of them
 
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Goodnewsman said:
None... When I look at the cross of Jesus Christ and see how he suffered for my sin I absolutely have no excuse

Rather than having an excuse for sin you should repent over sin like David in Psalm 51

The Bible says men love Darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil

I assume you have a list of sins you commit everyday? Rather than tell me what they are please repent of them
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What sins have I that haven't been already forgiven?

What sins are attributed to me?

If a believer dies before repenting of certain sins, is that believer lost?
 
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Budman said:
What sins have I that haven't been already forgiven?

What sins are attributed to me?

If a believer dies before repenting of certain sins, is that believer lost?
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Let me answer your question with a question and then I will respond.

Do you think a believer should repent when they commit sin?
 
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I do believe there is a difference. A Christian would like to do better!
A lost man wouldnt care
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Im sorry I missed the first part of your response. Obviously paul thought Christians could sin in ways that could bar them from the kingdom of Heaven for he warned the Galatians of such. I guess we have to decide if we believe him or dismiss his letters, what do you think?
 
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unclesilas said:
Im sorry I missed the first part of your response. Obviously paul thought Christians could sin in ways that could bar them from the kingdom of Heaven for he warned the Galatians of such. I guess we have to decide if we believe him or dismiss his letters, what do you think?
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AMEN!!!
 
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AMEN!!!
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Grace is such a hard thing to truly understand, impossible with the natural mind. On the one hand Paul states(in reality) you have righteousness/justification apart from committing sin, on the other, a believer can commit sin in a way that would bar them from Heaven
He and the Apostles gave many warnings to believers concerning sinfull behaviour and where it could lead, whilst Paul relentlessly preached as his core message you have no righteousness/justification of obeying the law. If I had time I could quote so much, that must be brought into line, that seems impossible to do(in the natural mind)
Simple exegesis in a couple of sentances cannot bring all the scriptures concerning this into line. But some seem to think it can be put that simply, they have it all figured out. We really do have to accept the words of the entire bible, and not just pick and choose what we want to read/hear.
 
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Grace is such a hard thing to truly understand, impossible with the natural mind. On the one hand Paul states(in reality) you have righteousness/justification apart from committing sin, on the other, a believer can commit sin in a way that would bar them from Heaven
He and the Apostles gave many warnings to believers concerning sinfull behaviour and where it could lead, whilst Paul relentlessly preached as his core message you have no righteousness/justification of obeying the law. If I had time I could quote so much, that must be brought into line, that seems impossible to do(in the natural mind)
Simple exegesis in a couple of sentances cannot bring all the scriptures concerning this into line. But some seem to think it can be put that simply, they have it all figured out. We really do have to accept the words of the entire bible, and not just pick and choose what we want to read/hear.
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Very well said. I agree
 
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Goodnewsman said:
Very well said. I agree
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Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:20‭-‬22 KJV

This should be a warning to us all
 
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Dcon

It's by grace through faith, not the other way around. Am behind yet of course.
 
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Macabeus said:
So you think a person can be a Christian can live for years and never shine the LIGHT

Why would one possibly keep His Light under a bushel? A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.

We cannot help but tell of the wonderful things that God has done.

If God does such a great thing for us, what kind of person would be able to hide it. I wanted to shout it from the rooftops.

I can't see how someone can have such a monumental event happen, and not share it. It's unfathomable to me

I guess the gospel is just too exciting for some and not all that exciting for others. Maybe it has to do with to whom much is forgiven, the same has much love
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Judgemental much? Go ahead...beat your chest in your pride of loving God more than anyone.

But, a city on a hill does nothing but shine. Right? People are watching.

I did more just quietly reading my bible than my push..I mean witnessing to my family. There's the hard place, not those who don't know you.
 
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Goodnewsman said:
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:20‭-‬22 KJV

This should be a warning to us all
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I agree with you. I doubt you will agree with all of this, but this is the bare bones if you like of the way I see it. A person comes to Christ, they may be in the most dire of straits due to sin. Totally corrupted in so many ways. God will accept them there and then, just as they are under a righteousness of faith in Christ. Hardly seems fair to many, but God's ways are not our natural ways. So a person has been accepted by God though they may be consumed by the worst of sins. In the real world, they cannot just click their fingers and all that sin vanishes, it takes time(and sinless perfection will never be reached) so the new convert is painfully aware of sin in them, sin they do not want for they have been born again, the law is in their heart and they want to follow naturally what is in their heart to do. As long as they keep looking to their saviour and trust in him to continue the change in them/their sanctification they are fine, their sin cannot condemn them for they are not under law but under grace. And it won't be that easy to do, for they have an enemy who prowls around like a roaring line seeking whom he may devour. But if they keep on this path, seeking to grow evermore Christlike they can be happier than they ever thought possible, no condemnation, they have peace, despite all those imperfections.
But it is possible to step outside of this path. The flesh and the Spirit desire opposite things:
If you are led by the Spirit you are not under law Gal5:18
What if the convert panders to the flesh one day? They meet someone and sleep with them. They have now stepped outside of the true path they should be on, and it is impossible, for a true believer to then say: 'Its ok, Jesus died for my sins I am not under law but under grace''. Now they come before their Father in Heaven and seek his forgiveness for stepping outside of the true path. And there will not be a problem, for the convert is part of God's family, they get forgiven and hopefully get straight back on the true path, they are again not under law but under grace. But what happens if they pander to the flesh again in this regard, and then again. At first they will feel terrible for they are going against how they in their heart know they should live and want to live in their born again Spirit. But the longer they keep doing what they should not be doing, the heart can become hardened, sin is destructive. Other destructive sin will also enter their life due to them following after the flesh and not the Spirit. Can the heart become so hardened, they give up trying to come back to where they should be? I believe it can, though it would take a long time. I also believe the commitment you actually make at conversion plays a big role in this. Jesus himself said people set out without counting the true cost. To me, if you have a profound conversion experience, where in your heart you want to surrender your life to Christ, he will keep you faithful to him, but there are others I believe may not be so fortunate.
Of course, there is always scripture that can be flung at you to try and oppose what you write, and much could be explored, but you have to bring the bible into alignment, not pick and choose what you want to accept
 
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unclesilas said:
I agree with you. I doubt you will agree with all of this, but this is the bare bones if you like of the way I see it. A person comes to Christ, they may be in the most dire of straits due to sin. Totally corrupted in so many ways. God will accept them there and then, just as they are under a righteousness of faith in Christ. Hardly seems fair to many, but God's ways are not our natural ways. So a person has been accepted by God though they may be consumed by the worst of sins. In the real world, they cannot just click their fingers and all that sin vanishes, it takes time(and sinless perfection will never be reached) so the new convert is painfully aware of sin in them, sin they do not want for they have been born again, the law is in their heart and they want to follow naturally what is in their heart to do. As long as they keep looking to their saviour and trust in him to continue the change in them/their sanctification they are fine, their sin cannot condemn them for they are not under law but under grace. And it won't be that easy to do, for they have an enemy who prowls around like a roaring line seeking whom he may devour. But if they keep on this path, seeking to grow evermore Christlike they can be happier than they ever thought possible, no condemnation, they have peace, despite all those imperfections.
But it is possible to step outside of this path. The flesh and the Spirit desire opposite things:
If you are led by the Spirit you are not under law Gal5:18
What if the convert panders to the flesh one day? They meet someone and sleep with them. They have now stepped outside of the true path they should be on, and it is impossible, for a true believer to then say: 'Its ok, Jesus died for my sins I am not under law but under grace''. Now they come before their Father in Heaven and seek his forgiveness for stepping outside of the true path. And there will not be a problem, for the convert is part of God's family, they get forgiven and hopefully get straight back on the true path, they are again not under law but under grace. But what happens if they pander to the flesh again in this regard, and then again. At first they will feel terrible for they are going against how they in their heart know they should live and want to live in their born again Spirit. But the longer they keep doing what they should not be doing, the heart can become hardened, sin is destructive. Other destructive sin will also enter their life due to them following after the flesh and not the Spirit. Can the heart become so hardened, they give up trying to come back to where they should be? I believe it can, though it would take a long time. I also believe the commitment you actually make at conversion plays a big role in this. Jesus himself said people set out without counting the true cost. To me, if you have a profound conversion experience, where in your heart you want to surrender your life to Christ, he will keep you faithful to him, but there are others I believe may not be so fortunate.
Of course, there is always scripture that can be flung at you to try and oppose what you write, and much could be explored, but you have to bring the bible into alignment, not pick and choose what you want to accept
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I couldn't find anything I disagreed with. In fact it was very well written.

Being born again is like a babe in Christ. He must grow in the grace and the knowledge of the Lord...

We walk in the light as it is shined on us. We use to call this maturing in Christ or simply growing.

I do not believe in sinless perfection but I do believe Jesus said "my sheep hear my voice and follow me"

Notice he said HEAR (Present tense) not HEARD. And FOLLOW (present tense) not FOLLOWED
 
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how can you put on the helmet of salvation, then swing with sword and shield,
salvation
THEOLOGY
deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.

"the Christian gospel of salvation for all mankind"

synonyms:redemption, deliverance, saving, help, reclamation

by looking at sin, you have again put jesus christ on the cross.

because there is a law of the land , if i do not break this law, this law has no affect over me.
because of what jesus christ has done for the believer, he has took away the affect of being condemned by this law, this covers the whole world, if you believe there is a god, even to the unbelievers on the planet.

in simple terms he has done this for all mankind, the world has the helmet of salvation on, so when you read the bible , you will not be condemned by this law, , and are now free to enter the presence of god, know you will not be condemned , by god

if you dont understand fully what jesus christ has already done for you.
to again call your self or an other person a sinner is like taking this helmet off, (you cannot take this helmet off, )
you are swinging this sword and shield at this law,to protect your self from being condemned by the law.

we are not saved by knowing what a sin is or sinning, you were saved by the actions of jesus christ,
my actions mean nothing , (the seed of the sower has to grow into wheat,this seed came from the logus word of god,ie you read this in the bible ) knowing the full bible inside and out,dose not get me into gods presence, if you cannot get in to gods presence in your personal walk. how can you hear gods personal words to you. if your still looking at others being a sinner or seeing your self as a sinner

how you interpret the bible , has nothing to do with knowing what a sin is, it is knowing what god and jesus have already done for you.

the gentile was saved by believing in what jesus had done, not by any action that he had done,

also remember the judgements of other humans , you have no control over, they are free to have an opinion of you, or how they see you, knowing how to get in gods presence , is an elementary teaching,

jesus, said forgive them father because they do not know what they do.

then there was a resurrection.

it is threw believing in jesus , you got into gods presence,or are you still being condemned by your own thinking or other peoples opinion of you.
 
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Historyanswers said:
how can you put on the helmet of salvation, then swing with sword and shield,
salvation
THEOLOGY
deliverance from sin and its consequences, believed by Christians to be brought about by faith in Christ.

"the Christian gospel of salvation for all mankind"

synonyms:redemption, deliverance, saving, help, reclamation

by looking at sin, you have again put jesus christ on the cross.

because there is a law of the land , if i do not break this law, this law has no affect over me.
because of what jesus christ has done for the believer, he has took away the affect of being condemned by this law, this covers the whole world, if you believe there is a god, even to the unbelievers on the planet.

in simple terms he has done this for all mankind, the world has the helmet of salvation on, so when you read the bible , you will not be condemned by this law, , and are now free to enter the presence of god, know you will not be condemned , by god

if you dont understand fully what jesus christ has already done for you.
to again call your self or an other person a sinner is like taking this helmet off, (you cannot take this helmet off, )
you are swinging this sword and shield at this law,to protect your self from being condemned by the law.

we are not saved by knowing what a sin is or sinning, you were saved by the actions of jesus christ,
my actions mean nothing , (the seed of the sower has to grow into wheat,this seed came from the logus word of god,ie you read this in the bible ) knowing the full bible inside and out,dose not get me into gods presence, if you cannot get in to gods presence in your personal walk. how can you hear gods personal words to you. if your still looking at others being a sinner or seeing your self as a sinner

how you interpret the bible , has nothing to do with knowing what a sin is, it is knowing what god and jesus have already done for you.

the gentile was saved by believing in what jesus had done, not by any action that he had done,

also remember the judgements of other humans , you have no control over, they are free to have an opinion of you, or how they see you, knowing how to get in gods presence , is an elementary teaching,

jesus, said forgive them father because they do not know what they do.

then there was a resurrection.

it is threw believing in jesus , you got into gods presence,or are you still being condemned by your own thinking or other peoples opinion of you.
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You tottaly just misrepresented Ephesians 6 and the helmet of salvation.
If the "world" has the helmet of salvation on why did God spend so much time in the NT warning us about the world.

He said come out from among the world and be separate and again "if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him"
On and on I could go......?????
 
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Goodnewsman said:
You tottaly just misrepresented Ephesians 6 and the helmet of salvation.
If the "world" has the helmet of salvation on why did God spend so much time in the NT warning us about the world.

He said come out from among the world and be separate and again "if any man love the world the love of the Father is not in him"
On and on I could go......?????
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Galatians 5 New International Version (NIV)
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Freedom in Christ
5 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
 
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and have no authority , in christ jesus, if you have been alienated from Christ.

helmet of his salvation. not your interpretation of the bible.
 
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Historyanswers said:
and have no authority , in christ jesus, if you have been alienated from Christ.

helmet of his salvation. not your interpretation of the bible.
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I'm sorry I'm having a hard time trying to understand what you're saying I told you you misrepresented Ephesians 6 and you quote me Ephesians 5????

For my sake can you tell me a little planer what you mean?
 
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stonesoffire said:
Judgemental much? Go ahead...beat your chest in your pride of loving God more than anyone.

But, a city on a hill does nothing but shine. Right? People are watching.

I did more just quietly reading my bible than my push..I mean witnessing to my family. There's the hard place, not those who don't know you.
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You are the one who is being judgemental
 
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