ESV Erases Jesus' Miracle Escape

cv5 · Feb 9, 2019

All bibles are 70% Tyndale. He was THE man.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 9, 2019

A few thoughts

If the bibles that leave this out is correct, how will that affect a persons ability to get saved or if saved to be sanctified, ie, will it stunt their growth?

If the kjv is right, how will that affect a persons ability to be saved, or will it stunt a persons growth?

I mean really!!

As for what bible, i grew up kjv, late teens my dad bought me a NKJV scofield i have used ever since. I would not give a new believer a kjv bible, any more than i would give them a NLT (horribly tranlated with many mistakes), the kjv and its archaic language would be jibberish to them, i have my mothers, and it has been so long since i used one (over 30 years now) when i try to read it, i get confused, and i grew up on it. Imagine a young person today, talk about stunting a persons growth, give them a bible they can not understand, the differences in versions (things left out or added) would be the least of their problems.

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

MattforJesus said:

I read the KJV, and that is the Bible I like, but if the other translations claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and there is only one God, and to be led of the Spirit being Christlike, then it would seem as if all things would fall in to place, for that is what the devil would want to attack.

And if there is a translation that is incorrect then it would seem as if they are doing it on purpose, which a person that claims the essentials would surely know about it.

Like the new age movement that interprets the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people can still evolve, for they believe people are still evolving until they are spiritual.

Which Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and love, and an ascended master, and avatar, which they believe the Christ conscience will come upon all people who follow the New Age Christ, and they too will be like the man Jesus.

They believe the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and when the Bible says Lucifer fell they translate that to mean that he descended to earth years ago to bring the principle of mind to the then known animal-man, and in the future they will evolve to be spiritual.

The Bible says the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all people who do not love God where He will then end this sin business on earth, until they rebel at the end of the millennial reign of Christ, and then that is it for the sin of people.

So since the new age movement is the future for this sinful world then the people that actually have the power, and control things, would be of the new age movement, and want to produce the New Age Christ so they can evolve to be greater, and spiritual, which interpret all religions including Christianity the same based on evolution, and not a personal God.

So if there is any error in the new versions it would seem like they would do it on purpose to support the new age movement.

But many new versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and there is one God, and to be led of the Spirit and be Christlike, which those of the new age movement would not want to do.

They would want a translation that does not exalt Jesus as God, and Lord and Savior, and would not want to claim a personal God.

They claim New Age Christology but the Bible says their conscience is seared with a hot iron, which means they do not show the love of Christ, and to be Christlike as the truth of the Bible tells, for they are of the occult and know what kind of fighting has to go on to have the type of world they want, and they are willing to be that cruel to have it.

They claim peace to get the world together as one, for they do not believe the New Age Christ will appear to help them until the nations come together, but they know that fighting will happen to establish their kingdom of all who oppose them, but they are willing to be that cruel for the occult is all about exalting themselves as high as possible, and will not let anyone get in the way.

If the new versions do not reflect any of the new age things, and claim the essentials, then everything should be in place.

And anybody that I know that goes by the new versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and one God, and to be led of the Spirit.

The new age movement is so extreme in their interpretation of the Bible that those that claim the essentials should be able to know it when they read the Bible.

And the inner circle is even more extreme than that, but they will let the outer circle work on them to get them lusting for power through nature, and when they accept the New Age Christ the outer circle became the inner circle, and the beast kingdom can come about.

Unless there are things in the new versions that can ensnare someone to think a certain way not in truth, who has not went to a fundamental Church, and then one thing leads to another.

But when they get to the part of Jesus is Lord and Savior, and a personal God, they cannot escape that.

ESV

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God( John 1:1).

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am"( John 8:58).

I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory( 1 Timothy 3:16).

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"( Revelation 1:8).

For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ( 2 Peter 1:11).

The ESV claims Jesus as Lord and Savior, which I cannot see a translation being corrupt unless they do it on purpose to deceive, and if the version claims a personal God, Jesus as Lord and Savior, and be led of the Spirit acting Christlike, which love of people is the fulfilling of the law, and to even love your enemies, and feed and clothe your enemies, then it would seem like everything else should be in place, for those things is what the devil would attack the most.

And if there is any corruption done on purpose, or promoting a agenda different in it how will that lead them astray from the essentials, for they will not follow the world when they say Peace and safety, and will not follow the world for they believe the main part of the Bible, God, Jesus, be Christlike.

So if they do not attack the essentials then they would seem like they are on the level to translate it correctly.

The KJV did not attack the essentials, so everything should fall in to place, so if the new versions do not attack the essentials then everything should fall in to place.

But I only read through the KJV, and not the other ones, but many of them seem like it is correct.

They could be thinking that they are not correct because they know there will be much deception at the end time, and think it could reflect in the modern versions, but I think that is mainly in the new age movement itself, and their interpretation among them, and not so much on the outside of it.

Esv Romans 10:9 confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord...you will be saved. Very misleading. This is not salvation. A lost person cannot confess Jesus is Lord, only the saved can confess that. A lost person must confess the Lord Jesus.

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

A few thoughts

If the bibles that leave this out is correct, how will that affect a persons ability to get saved or if saved to be sanctified, ie, will it stunt their growth?

If the kjv is right, how will that affect a persons ability to be saved, or will it stunt a persons growth?

I mean really!!

As for what bible, i grew up kjv, late teens my dad bought me a NKJV scofield i have used ever since. I would not give a new believer a kjv bible, any more than i would give them a NLT (horribly tranlated with many mistakes), the kjv and its archaic language would be jibberish to them, i have my mothers, and it has been so long since i used one (over 30 years now) when i try to read it, i get confused, and i grew up on it. Imagine a young person today, talk about stunting a persons growth, give them a bible they can not understand, the differences in versions (things left out or added) would be the least of their problems.

It attacks the most important doctrine that scripture can be trusted, every word.

posthuman · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

doesn't the presence of italics & footnotes / marginal notes in kjv do the same thing?

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

posthuman said:

If a Bible does contain marginal notes and footnotes then yes, that can cause confusion.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Well then i guess we all need to seek for other frms of truth then, because not on english bible has been proven to be infallable (inspite of your blindness towards one interpreation)

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

If that is true, then I would agree. But I’ve found the word of truth and believe every word.

posthuman · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Hevosmies · Feb 9, 2019

posthuman said:

Oh no! Not the King Jimmmy! My faith is destroyed. And here I was thinking that Moses wrote it down in ENGLISH. [KJV english too, not that heretic/jesuit english we speak here]

eternally-gratefull · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Like I said, you can only see what you want, if you do not wish to find a mistake you will never see it.

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

Sometimes the mistakes are so blatant as in John 3:16 in the new versions.

Dino246 · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Which the original printing of the KJV did, and which the modern printings do not. Where is the corruption, exactly?

Dino246 · Feb 9, 2019

posthuman said:

Same wavelength again.

Dino246 · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

And here I thought the most important doctrine was that Jesus died for my sins and was resurrected to everlasting life.

Hevosmies · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

What errors do the new versions make in John 3:16?

Dino246 · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Confess Jesus is Lord... Confess the Lord Jesus.

So different that one's salvation is at stake? Seriously? Give your head a shake.

Dino246 · Feb 9, 2019

Hevosmies said:

You're asking someone who holds an a priori opinion that all the new versions are corrupt. He'll find a way to make it so, even if it's patently ridiculous as his previous comment was.

Hevosmies · Feb 9, 2019

John146 said:

Oy vey! What did I just read.

I love you dearly John. I really do. But this just looks like you are just trying so hard to find something wrong with the ESV.

Look I agree that the KJV is the best translation in english. And thats the bottomline because I said so.

But lets be for real: The mainstream translations say the same thing! ESV KJV NASB <- VERY few differences there

John146 · Feb 9, 2019

Dino246 said:

Is that true? I believe it because the word of truth told me so.

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