Praying in Tongues
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I think it means how could a person that claims they love God not seen when you cannot love man seen. Love is the work of God that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure . as the fruit of love, the fruit of His Spirit the first works is patience or long suffering then love can be kind etc If there was no love how would you show God working in your life . God is Love. We work it out with fear and trembling knowing it is God who works in us with us to both will and do his good pleasure as the mystery of faith the unseen
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Yeah, i know more things but reject them as nonsense; i don't have to handle snakes and drink poison to reject the doctrine as childish.
BTW, snake handlers also speak in tongues as per 1 Cor 14/ Acts just like you do. So having one less false doctrine than them doesn't make you superior in anything.
BTW, snake handlers also speak in tongues as per 1 Cor 14/ Acts just like you do. So having one less false doctrine than them doesn't make you superior in anything.
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I know very well that loving God is the first and greatest commandment but there's no other way of loving God who is not seen other than loving one another. This technical makes the love for one another the greatest commandment.
Gal 5:13For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14The entireLaw is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13: 8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 John 4:7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
What this verses mean essentially is that you can not claim to talk to God while speaking gibberish to your brother/sister; God is inside your brother/sister and by showing others love, you know God and are speaking to God, anything apart from these is also gibberish to God.
Another one:
Matt 25:
37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
Gal 5:13For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14The entireLaw is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13: 8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 John 4:7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
What this verses mean essentially is that you can not claim to talk to God while speaking gibberish to your brother/sister; God is inside your brother/sister and by showing others love, you know God and are speaking to God, anything apart from these is also gibberish to God.
Another one:
Matt 25:
37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
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this is such a shame
I guess we will just have to write you off because of your poor communication skills and lack of English
so glad you told us you had those inconveniences because otherwise I would think you have the worst understanding I have seen in some time
I'm just going to put you on ignore along with the other fine gentlemen here so you will be in good bad company
you must have alot of time on your hands to come up with such silly claims
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was it done supernaturally? and if it was so rational what was it that made them draw to it? and what drew them was that supernatural or was it rational speaking? again you and your comment are unneeded but you think you are better than those country Bumpkins as you call them.
Other than that the ‘proclaimed the mighty works of God’, the narrative is silent to what exactly that consisted of. Yes, I believe that the apostles were supernaturally inspired by the Holy Spirit to say whatever they said, and I think they were inspired to proclaim it in the vernaculars of Aramaic and Greek, supernaturally inspired to proclaim it in such a way so as to be able to convert the 3.000 or so they did that day. For people who were generally regarded as uneducated and rather ‘back-woods’, to suddenly start to proclaim so boldly as they did can certainly said to be something supernatural.
Concerning the 120 or 12 issue – (#1,828)
no, it does not. it would be nice if you could show that.
I think I kind of did, but to expand a bit –
Chapter one of Acts ends with the newly formed 12 apostles – chapter 2 begins with ‘they were all with one accord’. The ‘they’ here refers back to the newly formed 12 apostles; not the 120 people.
This however may be a moot point as the earliest versions in both Greek and Latin all seem to simply state ‘they were all in one place’ – nothing about all being of ‘one accord’. I suspect that’s a possible later addition at some point in time (?). If a later addition and the original text simply says that they were all in one place, the question is who were all in one place? I would argue, the newly formed 12, but could also see the argument for all the people in the room (the 120). However, a counter argument to that might be something like, of course they were all in the same room (it was just referenced in chapter 1), but the apostles, with the addition of Matthias, were finally again all (i.e. all 12 of them, not 11) in one place.
Jesus’ command in chapter 1 concerning this event was to the 12, not the 120.
In Acts 2, it’s not Peter standing with the 119; it’s just the 11. It’s “men”, not ‘men and woman’ as with the 120 (see verse 13). Acts 2:43 – it was the apostles alone (12, not 120) who performed wonders and signs that day.
I think that in order for the Pentecostal/Charismatic understanding of ‘tongues’ to work however, it can’t be just the 12; it can only be the 120. Otherwise the concept of speaking tongues being associated with receiving the Holy Spirit doesn’t really work. Further, the fact it was only the 12 and not the 120 speaks to the concept that what was spoken was real, rational language – not what some people are producing today in conjunction with being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
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they are supernatural because God is doing them.
God is doing what? Inspiring people to pray? Yes, I agree on that, and that can be said to be supernatural, but certainly not by means of glossolalia. God’s not putting the glossolalia into their mouths, the petitioners/ones praying are doing that just fine all by themselves; the ‘tongue’ is entirely self-created.
It’s interesting that many people, when asked to record themselves speaking tongues and then really listen to it, will say that one does not submit a gift of the Spirit to an electronic test. But it must be pointed out that it is not the test that shows what tongues-speech really is, it only confirms it.
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was it done supernaturally? and if it was so rational what was it that made them draw to it? and what drew them was that supernatural or was it rational speaking? again you and your comment are unneeded but you think you are better than those country Bumpkins as you call them.
Other than that the ‘proclaimed the mighty works of God’, the narrative is silent to what exactly that consisted of. Yes, I believe that the apostles were supernaturally inspired by the Holy Spirit to say whatever they said, and I think they were inspired to proclaim it in the vernaculars of Aramaic and Greek, supernaturally inspired to proclaim it in such a way so as to be able to convert the 3.000 or so they did that day. For people who were generally regarded as uneducated and rather ‘back-woods’, to suddenly start to proclaim so boldly as they did can certainly said to be something supernatural.
Concerning the 120 or 12 issue – (#1,828)
no, it does not. it would be nice if you could show that.
I think I kind of did, but to expand a bit –
Chapter one of Acts ends with the newly formed 12 apostles – chapter 2 begins with ‘they were all with one accord’. The ‘they’ here refers back to the newly formed 12 apostles; not the 120 people.
This however may be a moot point as the earliest versions in both Greek and Latin all seem to simply state ‘they were all in one place’ – nothing about all being of ‘one accord’. I suspect that’s a possible later addition at some point in time (?). If a later addition and the original text simply says that they were all in one place, the question is who were all in one place? I would argue, the newly formed 12, but could also see the argument for all the people in the room (the 120). However, a counter argument to that might be something like, of course they were all in the same room (it was just referenced in chapter 1), but the apostles, with the addition of Matthias, were finally again all (i.e. all 12 of them, not 11) in one place.
Jesus’ command in chapter 1 concerning this event was to the 12, not the 120.
In Acts 2, it’s not Peter standing with the 119; it’s just the 11. It’s “men”, not ‘men and woman’ as with the 120 (see verse 13). Acts 2:43 – it was the apostles alone (12, not 120) who performed wonders and signs that day.
I think that in order for the Pentecostal/Charismatic understanding of ‘tongues’ to work however, it can’t be just the 12; it can only be the 120. Otherwise the concept of speaking tongues being associated with receiving the Holy Spirit doesn’t really work. Further, the fact it was only the 12 and not the 120 speaks to the concept that what was spoken was real, rational language – not what some people are producing today in conjunction with being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
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they are supernatural because God is doing them.
God is doing what? Inspiring people to pray? Yes, I agree on that, and that can be said to be supernatural, but certainly not by means of glossolalia. God’s not putting the glossolalia into their mouths, the petitioners/ones praying are doing that just fine all by themselves; the ‘tongue’ is entirely self-created.
It’s interesting that many people, when asked to record themselves speaking tongues and then really listen to it, will say that one does not submit a gift of the Spirit to an electronic test. But it must be pointed out that it is not the test that shows what tongues-speech really is, it only confirms it.
Loving others is evidence of and fruit of a relationship with God through Christ. It is neither the first nor the only evidence.
While I don't think you're advocating it, your argument is dangerously similar to that of those who reject the gospel but claim they are "alright with God" because of their "good deeds".
While I don't think you're advocating it, your argument is dangerously similar to that of those who reject the gospel but claim they are "alright with God" because of their "good deeds".
Logical deduction.
1. We know snake handlers speak in tongues too. They base their tongues on 1 Cor 14/ Mark 16/ Acts and many other verses just like the proponents do here.
2. Many if not all proponents here will say the 'tongues' spoken by snake handlers are not genuine, why? because of the snake.
They can not use 1 Cor 14/Acts/Mark 16 and many other verses they usually use to support their 'tongues' to discredit the 'tongues' spoken by snake handlers.
3. Based on 1 & 2 above, the only difference between snake handlers and proponents here is a snake and nothing else.
Removing a snake form a snake handlers hands can not make their tongues genuine- the proponents here will agree but what they won't agree with is that removing a snake from the snake handlers hand makes them equal. They will both use 1 Cor 14 and Acts to support what they do and life goes on.
Reaallly?!!
1. We know snake handlers speak in tongues too. They base their tongues on 1 Cor 14/ Mark 16/ Acts and many other verses just like the proponents do here.
2. Many if not all proponents here will say the 'tongues' spoken by snake handlers are not genuine, why? because of the snake.
They can not use 1 Cor 14/Acts/Mark 16 and many other verses they usually use to support their 'tongues' to discredit the 'tongues' spoken by snake handlers.
3. Based on 1 & 2 above, the only difference between snake handlers and proponents here is a snake and nothing else.
Removing a snake form a snake handlers hands can not make their tongues genuine- the proponents here will agree but what they won't agree with is that removing a snake from the snake handlers hand makes them equal. They will both use 1 Cor 14 and Acts to support what they do and life goes on.
Reaallly?!!
Again, fruit or not, no one can claim to love God when they don't love their neighbor and the only way to love God scripturally, is to love one another:
Gal 5:13For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13: 8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 John 4:7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
Gal 5:13For you, brothers, were called to freedom; but do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh. Rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13: 8 Be indebted to no one, except to one another in love, for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9The commandments “Do not commit adultery,” “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” “Do not covet,” and any other commandments, are summed up in this one decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
1 John 4:7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
I find your response interesting but not fully founded in truth. I am saying that respectfully. Yet you do have an opinion concerning the "upper Room experience". you said "the vernaculars of Aramaic and Greek, "
Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
If it was not the 120 which I think it was and it was only the 12 that means had to speak more than one languages when we see in scripture approx. 70 were heard. and not all Jews were Hebrew speaking Jews or even Greek they, however, made the journey to Jerselum to visit the temple. which was the reason wht they were there. If you are saying all who speak in tongues was only in Aramaic and Greek , the Acts chapter 2 account is not in agreement with that understanding.
ESV Acts 2:7-11
And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
In addition, the 120 contextually present, supports the job of organizing the newly 300 won to the Lord on that day. were only 12 going to disciple 3000?. Cause and effect.
In chapter 1 verse 14-15 is very telling :
14"14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.[c] "
that was more than the 12.
"15 In those days Peter stood up among the brothers (the company of persons was in all about 120) "
Nothing states they left. Nothing states the 120 were not present. that is an assumption.
The last thing I would never record myself. That is immaturity. I disagree with your assertion below
"It’s interesting that many people, when asked to record themselves speaking tongues and then really listen to it, will say that one does not submit a gift of the Spirit to an electronic test. But it must be pointed out that it is not the test that shows what tongues-speech really is, it only confirms it."
The word of God confirms it and the effects AFTER the gift has been used. Did the gift Edify, Comfort, and exhort. Were people saved? doing something to prompt human reasoning is not needed. Nor should one demonstrate a gift to prove naysayers. Jesus never did that for the Pharisees. No test shows any proof of the Holy Spirit done by a secular humanist. Those same types will tell you Jesus did not die or rose from the dead. But just so you know test has been done but not accepted. Those against the gifts of the Holy for today will not and those for the Gifts will.
What did the gift produce ? is the Biblical test. They are languages. There is foolisness too did not see anyone disagree with that.
Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
If it was not the 120 which I think it was and it was only the 12 that means had to speak more than one languages when we see in scripture approx. 70 were heard. and not all Jews were Hebrew speaking Jews or even Greek they, however, made the journey to Jerselum to visit the temple. which was the reason wht they were there. If you are saying all who speak in tongues was only in Aramaic and Greek , the Acts chapter 2 account is not in agreement with that understanding.
ESV Acts 2:7-11
And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
In addition, the 120 contextually present, supports the job of organizing the newly 300 won to the Lord on that day. were only 12 going to disciple 3000?. Cause and effect.
In chapter 1 verse 14-15 is very telling :
14"14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.[c] "
that was more than the 12.
"15 In those days Peter stood up among the brothers (the company of persons was in all about 120) "
Nothing states they left. Nothing states the 120 were not present. that is an assumption.
The last thing I would never record myself. That is immaturity. I disagree with your assertion below
"It’s interesting that many people, when asked to record themselves speaking tongues and then really listen to it, will say that one does not submit a gift of the Spirit to an electronic test. But it must be pointed out that it is not the test that shows what tongues-speech really is, it only confirms it."
The word of God confirms it and the effects AFTER the gift has been used. Did the gift Edify, Comfort, and exhort. Were people saved? doing something to prompt human reasoning is not needed. Nor should one demonstrate a gift to prove naysayers. Jesus never did that for the Pharisees. No test shows any proof of the Holy Spirit done by a secular humanist. Those same types will tell you Jesus did not die or rose from the dead. But just so you know test has been done but not accepted. Those against the gifts of the Holy for today will not and those for the Gifts will.
What did the gift produce ? is the Biblical test. They are languages. There is foolisness too did not see anyone disagree with that.
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Says the lady that endorses incomprehensible heavenly languages 
you have me confused with Paul and God
Paul and God, by His Spirit, endorse tongues
you are a mocker and a divisive person
the kind scripture tells true believers to stay away from
but I am a lady...at least you got that right. you could not handle a lady.
you look for trouble and wish to make derogatory comments which is why you butted in to a post that has nothing to do with you
much like the way you respond. your responses have nothing to do with any sort of Christian posts