Stuff in the bible that seems to make no sense

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

I agree that He (the Messiah) didn’t need assistance, it was to show the might and glory that He has and also to be a sign and witness as well as instructions for the people that would come to see Him. As for the “no touching me because I have not been to the Father yet” the Messiah was to fulfill the shadow picture of the First Fruits Feast as he had already fulfilled Passover by being the sacrifice lamb, and unleavened bread by removing our sin with His sacrifice and now fulfilling First Fruits as being sanctified and pure and presented before the Father, this is why the apostles were able to touch him after he returned to them from the Father and Mary wasnt able to prior. There are scriptures that cite what I am referring to if anyone is interested I’ll post them. But every feast of Leviticus 23 is a shadow picture pointing to the Messiah and when He returns He will fulfill the fall feasts.

 

[Deade]

I agree that He (the Messiah) didn’t need assistance, it was to show the might and glory that He has and also to be a sign and witness as well as instructions for the people that would come to see Him. As for the “no touching me because I have not been to the Father yet” the Messiah was to fulfill the shadow picture of the First Fruits Feast as he had already fulfilled Passover by being the sacrifice lamb, and unleavened bread by removing our sin with His sacrifice and now fulfilling First Fruits as being sanctified and pure and presented before the Father, this is why the apostles were able to touch him after he returned to them from the Father and Mary wasnt able to prior. There are scriptures that cite what I am referring to if anyone is interested I’ll post them. But every feast of Leviticus 23 is a shadow picture pointing to the Messiah and when He returns He will fulfill the fall feasts.

Yes, please share what you have found. I have contended for some time that John 20:17 pictured Christ's first ascension on the wave sheaf day. Some will argue He did not ascend that day.

 

[Laish]

The stone was taken away so the PEOPLE could see he was not there and had risen.....

Ok if you don’t stop using my using my answers before I can you’re getting a red x .
Blessings
Bill

 

[Shemuel-Yerimiyahu]

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Yes, please share what you have found. I have contended for some time that John 20:17 pictured Christ's first ascension on the wave sheaf day. Some will argue He did not ascend that day.

This is the passage I was speaking of, because a few verses later in John 20:27 after 8 days Thomas was able to touch Him. And if we were to look in Leviticus 23 detailing the feasts of Yahweh(God)
We see how Yahshua(Jesus) fulfills Passover (safety from death in Egypt and and a sacrifice lamb) Unleavened Bread (taking sin out of our lives as the feast pictures in taking all Leaven out of our dwellings) and Firstfruits being a holy offering made to Yahweh(God) and Yahshua being Firstfruit of the resurrection. Feast of weeks or also known as Pentecost was fulfilled with the outpouring of the Spirit in acts chapter 2. Now the Fall feasts (trumpets, day of atonement (which is national atonement not individual), and tabernacles) are to be fulfilled when HE returns. This is the only (in my belief) explanation as to why no one could touch Him prior to going tot the father in John 20:17 and able to afterwards in John 20:27. He was to be presented before Yahweh as thye Firstfruit offering, pure and untouched.

 

[Laish]

1. Jesus walked through walls, or atleast He suddenly stood inside the room, so why did an angel have to take away the grave stone? And even if He couldnt walk through a stone, He could walk on water, raise the dead, change water into wine and calm the storm, but needed help with the stone?

Ok I will give ya my opinion. Let’s look at the last two I put in bold . The angels opened up the tomb to announce the to the world here is your King ! This was for our benefit. The whole event is a testimony to who Jesus is . He is the risen King our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ! It was not done so Jesus to walk out it was for us to know He our Lord walked out !
Now to the first part let’s look at the scriptures.
Luke 24: 36 While they were telling these things, He Himself stood in their midst and *said to them, “Peace be to you.”
The events described in Luke are not about how He appeared but that He did . This paints a vivid example of what Jesus means when He said
Mathew 18:20
For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”
This demonstrates Jesus’s/God’s omnipresents . Not His mode of transportation.
It’s not about the mechanics of such events we should concern our selves with it that He is true to His words. He is always with us .
Mathew 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Blessings
Bill

 

[Dino246]

i didn't know that about you, Dino!
my first degree was studio art. i left literally all the history classes till my last year, which, in retrospect...

I did my first degree (double major) intending to go into Architecture.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ok if you don’t stop using my using my answers before I can you’re getting a red x .
Blessings
Bill

Hilarious............great minds and all hahahaha........most of the time that is......HA

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Matthew 27:62 — 28:4

Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.

So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.

In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.


So the chief priests and pharisees secured the sepulchre and set a watch (which did nothing to stop the resurrection ).

When the angel came and rolled back the stone, the keepers were afraid of the angel.

What about Jesus? The keepers weren’t afraid of Him ... according to Matt 28:4, they were afraid of the angel.

 

[Deade]

well, i mean there's quantum tunneling. there is no known physical law that actually prevents physical matter from 'teleporting' this way; there is only the unfathomable improbability of it, and it doesn't necessitate trans-dimensional travel.

Look, God's omnipresence and omnipotence are hard enough to put my head around without you bringing quantum mechanics into it. I am satisfied with just acknowledging Jesus showed up in that locked room with flesh they could touch. God will someday explain it all to me, I am sure. Until that day I probably wouldn't understand, anyway.

 

[Chuckyz2]

1. Jesus walked through walls, or atleast He suddenly stood inside the room, so why did an angel have to take away the grave stone? And even if He couldnt walk through a stone, He could walk on water, raise the dead, change water into wine and calm the storm, but needed help with the stone?

He could do anything He wanted to do. If you truly believed, you would know that.
You are the type that would ask, why would He succumb to the crucifixion when He could have avoided it easily? He is the Almighty Jesus and could have had all the soldiers that captured Him struck down with a word. Because it had to be done.
Why does He call some to believe and not others? To show the difference when Gods Spirit is in a person and when the devils spirit is a person. When you have the Spirit, you rejoice in the truth and know it. When you don't, you listen to the lies told you by the spirit you have.

 

[Dino246]

He could do anything He wanted to do. If you truly believed, you would know that.
You are the type that would ask, why would He succumb to the crucifixion when He could have avoided it easily? He is the Almighty Jesus and could have had all the soldiers that captured Him struck down with a word. Because it had to be done.
Why does He call some to believe and not others? To show the difference when Gods Spirit is in a person and when the devils spirit is a person. When you have the Spirit, you rejoice in the truth and know it. When you don't, you listen to the lies told you by the spirit you have.

You're responding to a new member. Show him at least the same kindness and encouragement you would hope to receive were the roles reversed. Your characterization is both prejudicial and unwarranted.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

1. Jesus walked through walls, or atleast He suddenly stood inside the room, so why did an angel have to take away the grave stone? And even if He couldnt walk through a stone, He could walk on water, raise the dead, change water into wine and calm the storm, but needed help with the stone?

Don't over think it. One time I had a guy come change a wheel bearing on my all wheel drive explorer. Because I wanted too, not because I needed him to. I just wanted him to. I simply preferred to pay him than do it myself. Maybe Jesus just chose to have an angel do it for what ever reason he had.

 

[Nehemiah6]

You will not be able to quote the Bible where it says Jesus walked through a wall..

It is IMPLIED that Jesus walked through walls when He suddenly appeared before the apostles out of the blue, THE DOORS BEING SHUT.

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (John 20:26)

Why do Christians increasingly fail to accept what is implied in Scripture, and constantly look for explicit statements as though the Bible is a textbook of theology? There are many things in the Bible which are implied, and it is our responsibility to accept those things without saying "It is not stated that..."

As to the appearance of the angels at the tomb, it is implied that this was a divine necessity in order to bring the apostles and disciples to a firm conviction about the resurrection of Christ. And in fact Mary Magdalene may have been the worst offender in not believing the angels. A careful reading of all the Gospels will show that. And that is why the Risen Christ presented Himself to her at the tomb, but also warned her not to touch Him.

 

[posthuman]

Don't over think it. One time I had a guy come change a wheel bearing on my all wheel drive explorer. Because I wanted too, not because I needed him to. I just wanted him to. I simply preferred to pay him than do it myself. Maybe Jesus just chose to have an angel do it for what ever reason he had.

When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, asking for help.​

“Lord,” he said, ​

“my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”​

Jesus said to him, ​

“Shall I come and heal him?”​

The centurion replied, ​

“Lord, I do not deserve to have You come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”​

When Jesus heard this, He was amazed and said to those following Him, ​

“Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith!"​

(Matthew 8:5-10)​

 

[Adstar]

It is IMPLIED that Jesus walked through walls when He suddenly appeared before the apostles out of the blue, THE DOORS BEING SHUT.

And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. (John 20:26)

Why do Christians increasingly fail to accept what is implied in Scripture, and constantly look for explicit statements as though the Bible is a textbook of theology? There are many things in the Bible which are implied, and it is our responsibility to accept those things without saying "It is not stated that..."

As to the appearance of the angels at the tomb, it is implied that this was a divine necessity in order to bring the apostles and disciples to a firm conviction about the resurrection of Christ. And in fact Mary Magdalene may have been the worst offender in not believing the angels. A careful reading of all the Gospels will show that. And that is why the Risen Christ presented Himself to her at the tomb, but also warned her not to touch Him.

Implied is not confirmation.. Do you think Jesus could not unlock any door in the world and walk through it.. The Bible does not say that Jesus walked through a wall..

Saying that Jesus came through walls is used by people who believe that Jesus did not rise from the dead but appeared as a Ghost to the disciples.. Denying the physical resurrection of Jesus is heretical.. It is denying a core doctrine of salvation..

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is teh simplest thought, and it is just a thought. No matter where we are, God is there. Jesus simply manifested Himself, that is allowed others to see God in the form of the Glorified Only son.

God, our God, can do anything, there is nothing too difficult for Him, nothing.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

It's kind of sad to me that there are some who hyper spiritualize every word of the Bible. If it say they traveled to some place there is some mysterious mystical deep reason and it applies to our spiritual walk. It makes me think of that Monte python movie "the life of Brian" when he is running away and drops the gourd and looses a sandal. It's all a sign and they begin arguing about what it means.

Here is why the Angel rolled away the stone rather than Jesus doing it himself, because Jesus was doing something else at the moment, and he wanted and angel to roll the stone for him.

 

[posthuman]

It makes me think of that Monte python movie "the life of Brian" when he is running away and drops the gourd and looses a sandal. It's all a sign and they begin arguing about what it means.

lol yes.... and then all taking off one of their sandals and hopping around.

let's all start appearing in the midst of closed rooms!

 

[p_rehbein]

1. Jesus walked through walls, or atleast He suddenly stood inside the room, so why did an angel have to take away the grave stone? And even if He couldnt walk through a stone, He could walk on water, raise the dead, change water into wine and calm the storm, but needed help with the stone?

Jesus was long gone IMO when the angel moved the stone. The angle moved it not for Christ to get OUT of the grave, but for His followers to get IN the grave to see He had risen........

Doubting that Christ is God, and can DO anything, and CREATED everything only leads to the broad way............

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Jesus was long gone IMO when the angel moved the stone. The angle moved it not for Christ to get OUT of the grave, but for His followers to get IN the grave to see He had risen........

In agreement.

Matthew 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

The two Mary's (vs 1) met Jesus (vs 9) on the way to go tell the disciples as instructed by the angel (vs 7).

I believe Jesus was already risen when the angel rolled the stone away. The stone was removed so the disciples of Jesus could see inside the sepulchre to confirm for themselves that Jesus was not in the tomb.

The two Mary's were instructed to go tell the disciples then met Jesus on the way to the disciples.