I have two things I would like to point out, concerning all you wrote.
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
James 2:14
(Complete Apostles' Bible) What does it profit, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Is that kind of faith able to save him?
When was the scripture fulfilled that God counted Abraham justified? When he believed or after he acted on what He believed?
When are the promises of eternal security fulfilled? At the moment of conversion, or when you are dead. After all, the bible says you will keep that eternal security IF you keep the truth of the gospel to the end of your days.
Point being, you don't know when those scriptures are fulfilled, seeing that God leaves out words and phrases from many of His promises. Which is to say, you have to go to other verses of the bible to get the "whole council of God", according to many here on CC. Which leads me to my second point.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Let's add to the promises of eternal security, listed above, the same way you add to verses like Mark 11:24. That being, "If it be the will of God", to make it the whole council of God.
Now, if you were to do the same thing to the verses of eternal security, like many do with the above verse, to add to the verses, to keep them in context, and make it the whole council of God, it would put those promises into question, like it did to the above verse.
After all, to add to a few select verses and not the rest, is to have double standard and to be biased and failing to seek the truth.
Let's see what happens to the other promises.
Jesus said that He gives us eternal life, and that we shall never perish, and that no one can snatch us out of His, or the Father's hand. (John 3:16, 10: 28-29)
Only if it's the will of the Father, you will never perish and no one will snatch you out of His hand, if it is His will.
The Bible says God will complete the good work that He began in us. (Philippians 1:6)
Only if it's the will of the Father.
I am sure, many of you see this logic as ridiculous, nonsensical, idiotic, and down right stupid.
Now you know what I think of those who do it to the promises like the one I used.
To recap. You don't know when the promise is fulfilled, and you don't know the whole council of God, so you can't say they mean what they say. Just like the promises that say God will give you according to, "your will", or" whatsoever you desire", only if it's the will of the Father.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, right?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
James 2:14
(Complete Apostles' Bible) What does it profit, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Is that kind of faith able to save him?
When was the scripture fulfilled that God counted Abraham justified? When he believed or after he acted on what He believed?
When are the promises of eternal security fulfilled? At the moment of conversion, or when you are dead. After all, the bible says you will keep that eternal security IF you keep the truth of the gospel to the end of your days.
Point being, you don't know when those scriptures are fulfilled, seeing that God leaves out words and phrases from many of His promises. Which is to say, you have to go to other verses of the bible to get the "whole council of God", according to many here on CC. Which leads me to my second point.
Mar 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Let's add to the promises of eternal security, listed above, the same way you add to verses like Mark 11:24. That being, "If it be the will of God", to make it the whole council of God.
Now, if you were to do the same thing to the verses of eternal security, like many do with the above verse, to add to the verses, to keep them in context, and make it the whole council of God, it would put those promises into question, like it did to the above verse.
After all, to add to a few select verses and not the rest, is to have double standard and to be biased and failing to seek the truth.
Let's see what happens to the other promises.
Jesus said that He gives us eternal life, and that we shall never perish, and that no one can snatch us out of His, or the Father's hand. (John 3:16, 10: 28-29)
Only if it's the will of the Father, you will never perish and no one will snatch you out of His hand, if it is His will.
The Bible says God will complete the good work that He began in us. (Philippians 1:6)
Only if it's the will of the Father.
I am sure, many of you see this logic as ridiculous, nonsensical, idiotic, and down right stupid.
Now you know what I think of those who do it to the promises like the one I used.
To recap. You don't know when the promise is fulfilled, and you don't know the whole council of God, so you can't say they mean what they say. Just like the promises that say God will give you according to, "your will", or" whatsoever you desire", only if it's the will of the Father.
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, right?
