Praying in Tongues

[7seasrekeyed]

My Father was an preacher and evangelist and spoke in tongues, and my sis speaks in tongues. I want to, think it would be wonderful, bring me closer to my Lord. I know many say not everyone can, that it is a gift for some, not for others. I wonder, if it points to a lack of faith. Your experience seems so beautiful and so intimate with Him. So my question is this...

Is it simply something we receive like at the pentecost, or is it something we can just start practicing, luke the OP suggest ? Are there scriptures that you could point me to, besides Acts?

Hi Charli

(guess who haha)

Thank you CS1, much appreciated. I have asked Hin, and trusting Him for whatever He sees fit, but Brother, it causes me to want to examine why I have not been able. I pray He remove any deceit, selfishness, pride or any other sin that may be hindering my being filled in this way.

I don't believe anything such as you mention would stand 'in the way'

I was an ignorant 18 yr old, read a book about it, looked up the references in the Bible, said 'oh they check out', kneeled by my bedside and asked to be filled and started right away. I understood that I would not understand, but time has changed that because I often interpret what I say or sing in tongues...but I've come a long way since then

You should know too that I was brought up in a church that denied tongues was for today but I was searching for 'more' and more meaning in my life, and you know God likes that in a person. He is always willing

please don't fuss over it or let the naysayers sway you

even my dad eventually spoke in tongues and he was the most reserved person you can think of

you may have noticed...I'm available for chat now...well me and everyone else

are these chats private? not sure

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well, you were mistaken in your claim when you said:

"refers to real, rational languages…every single time; nothing more, nothing less".

so please backtrack. rednecks? that is your Biblical explanation for Acts 2 racial overtones and insults country bumpkins. no, they were all filled and spoke is what the Bible says. Ok, I can not take you seriously anymore you too, please were done. I cannot believe the level of arrogance displayed in here. And to make foolish comments about people in a prideful self-gratifying way is a warning to those who hear you.

right

the passage reads

1When the day of Pentecost came, the believers were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like a mighty rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

it says all...all and not a select few or just the disciples

the commentary about rednecks etc is almost funny

wonder if their trucks were parked out front or behind

 

[Kavik]

I see your opinion and how appropriately you say "just not supernatural, no matter how much people would like it to be".

The problem is the word of God does SAY THAT.

Are the gift of the Holy Spirit supernatural or not?

That is the game some like to play; they will say: yes the gift are and were supernatural but they have ceased. But they can not prove they have ceased Biblically with the completion of the Canon. They have to Spiritualize the very word of God by using one or two verses at the most mainly 1COR 13:8 to show the gifts have ceased as they say. 1cor 13:8 says no such thing.
Now because they saw how foolish that thought and narrative failed now they want to call it not of God using secular rationale to explain what they could not do with the word of God. So they created free vocalization they could not even stay with the word gibberish because it's not in the word of god anywhere. Yet I asked is the Gifts of the Holy Spirit supernatural? Not if they can get a medical humanistic explanation for an experience they do not believe happens today anymore. the above opinion from mr. Kavik had not even one scriptural reference yet they can not remove 1cor chapter 12-14. Just think if it was Peter who said what was in 1cor 12 to 14? they would have torn into his word from the Lord But Paul was highly educated. so they can not deal with Paul in that manner.

You’re totally missing the point –

What people are producing today is not supernatural in origin. In fact, it has nothing to do with what the Bible calls ‘tongues’. You’re trying to equate apples to oranges. They’re two totally different things entirely.

Do the special gifts of healing, wisdom, languages, prophesy, etc. still exist today? Yes, I believe they do, but I don’t believe they are inherent to one specific religious belief/spiritual path.

Can these special gifts be called ‘supernatural’? I would say it may depend on the context in which they are manifested, but in general, yes, I believe that term to be accurate. It’s a matter of how one defines “supernatural” I suppose. For example, your heart beats, but you don’t consciously do this. It just miraculously seems to happen. Is the fact that your heart beats like this, i.e. beyond your conscious control, supernatural?

To reiterate what I’ve said in the past, I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ – I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. Cessationist vs, non-cessationist is a bit of a false dichotomy; gifts ceasing is mentioned only once in one short sentence and the remainder of the Bible is totally silent on the matter. The one place it is mentioned is rarely taken into context of the entire passage. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”; people still speak.

 

[Kavik]

well, you were mistaken in your claim when you said:

"refers to real, rational languages…every single time; nothing more, nothing less".

so please backtrack. rednecks? that is your Biblical explanation for Acts 2 racial overtones and insults country bumpkins. no, they were all filled and spoke is what the Bible says.

Yes, they were all filled with the H/S and spoke loudly ‘proclaiming the mighty works of the Lord’.

The fact is, however, that Galileans were considered ‘backwoods bumkins’; thus, to hear them speaking in such a manner, some might have gotten the impression that they were ‘drunk’. Not sure what’s so difficult to grasp here. You see similar examples of this everyday (in a different context of course, but essentially the same type of situation).

 

[Kavik]

it says all...all and not a select few or just the disciples

Contextual evidence in both Acts 1 and Acts 2 seems to support that it was just the 12, not the 120.

Chapter one ends with the newly formed 12 apostles (i.e. the addition of Matthias to replace Judas). Chapter 2 begins with saying "...they were all with one accord in one place..." It's assumed that the "they" here refers to the 120, but the context goes back to the end of Chapter 1 and refers to the 12. Jesus' command in Chapter 1 concerning this event was to the apostles, not the 120.

There is other contextual "evidence" in Chapter 2 as well.

 

[CS1]

You’re totally missing the point –

What people are producing today is not supernatural in origin. In fact, it has nothing to do with what the Bible calls ‘tongues’. You’re trying to equate apples to oranges. They’re two totally different things entirely.

Do the special gifts of healing, wisdom, languages, prophesy, etc. still exist today? Yes, I believe they do, but I don’t believe they are inherent to one specific religious belief/spiritual path.

Can these special gifts be called ‘supernatural’? I would say it may depend on the context in which they are manifested, but in general, yes, I believe that term to be accurate. It’s a matter of how one defines “supernatural” I suppose. For example, your heart beats, but you don’t consciously do this. It just miraculously seems to happen. Is the fact that your heart beats like this, i.e. beyond your conscious control, supernatural?

To reiterate what I’ve said in the past, I am neither a so-called ‘cessationist’ nor a ‘continuationist’ – I do not identify with either term; in fact, I had never heard the two terms until just late in 2016. Cessationist vs, non-cessationist is a bit of a false dichotomy; gifts ceasing is mentioned only once in one short sentence and the remainder of the Bible is totally silent on the matter. The one place it is mentioned is rarely taken into context of the entire passage. As far as I’m concerned, quite frankly, since the Biblical reference of “tongues” is to real, rational languages, obviously “tongues” haven’t “ceased”; people still speak.

says who? you? or some secular humanistic explanation for the things of God. No i am not talking about apples or oranges nor assuming I see rednecks or country Bumpkins, I am saying what is said in Acts 2 and what I see happen throughout the Book of Acts as the book of ACTS states it; not your "today removed", "not anymore", "does not happen after the 1st-century" opinion. again you have no Biblical support. I see you avoided my question about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. are they supernatural the ones in 1cor 12 to 14 ? I wonder why?

 

[CS1]

Yes, they were all filled with the H/S and spoke loudly ‘proclaiming the mighty works of the Lord’.

The fact is, however, that Galileans were considered ‘backwoods bumkins’; thus, to hear them speaking in such a manner, some might have gotten the impression that they were ‘drunk’. Not sure what’s so difficult to grasp here. You see similar examples of this every day (in a different context of course, but essentially the same type of situation).

was it done supernaturally? and if it was so rational what was it that made them draw to it? and what drew them was that supernatural or was it rational speaking? again you and your comment are unneeded but you think you are better than those country Bumpkins as you call them.

 

[CS1]

Contextual evidence in both Acts 1 and Acts 2 seems to support that it was just the 12, not the 120.

Chapter one ends with the newly formed 12 apostles (i.e. the addition of Matthias to replace Judas). Chapter 2 begins with saying "...they were all with one accord in one place..." It's assumed that the "they" here refers to the 120, but the context goes back to the end of Chapter 1 and refers to the 12. Jesus' command in Chapter 1 concerning this event was to the apostles, not the 120.

There is other contextual "evidence" in Chapter 2 as well.

no, it does not. it would be nice if you could show that.

 

[preacher4truth]

Here would be my take on "praying in ""tongues."""

https://www.gotquestions.org/praying-in-tongues.html

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Contextual evidence in both Acts 1 and Acts 2 seems to support that it was just the 12, not the 120.

Chapter one ends with the newly formed 12 apostles (i.e. the addition of Matthias to replace Judas). Chapter 2 begins with saying "...they were all with one accord in one place..." It's assumed that the "they" here refers to the 120, but the context goes back to the end of Chapter 1 and refers to the 12. Jesus' command in Chapter 1 concerninhow do youg this event was to the apostles, not the 120.

There is other contextual "evidence" in Chapter 2 as well.

fine to say 'contextual evidence', but when I use the term, I PROVIDE said context for proof

so, here is my CONTEXTUAL evidence that what you say regarding 12 only, does not bear up under scrutiny FROM Acts 1. as follows:


12 Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty)

you can keep reading to the end of chapter 1...nothing changes the inclusion of Matthias does not alter the number 120, so let's move to chapter 2

2 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.

so, they...referring back to the 120 as chapt 1 states 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers. and as I already illustrated, the believers numbered about 120 chapt 1 again

back to chapt 2 then...they were all together in one place...not 12 or 17 or 99...but the all we last read about in chapter 1

we read that ALL of them were filled...not 6 or 33 or 54 but ALL...which all? the 120 because the passage says nada bout anyone leaving or even joining

so, what do you have? contextually speaking of course

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Here would be my take on "praying in ""tongues."""

https://www.gotquestions.org/praying-in-tongues.html

that site is cessationist. they provide some very good info...but they are cessationists

they have ceased to believe. further, I think they might lean towards Calvinism?

anybody know?

not sure, but if you are a Calvinist, then no worries about tongues. you will have no choice if you speak in tongues or not

 

[CS1]

that site is cessationist. they provide some very good info...but they are cessationists

they have ceased to believe. further, I think they might lean towards Calvinism?

anybody know?

not sure, but if you are a Calvinist, then no worries about tongues. you will have no choice if you speak in tongues or not

I did not even look at it. i have seen to many of them already LOL

 

[CharliRenee]

Hi Charli

(guess who haha)



I don't believe anything such as you mention would stand 'in the way'

I was an ignorant 18 yr old, read a book about it, looked up the references in the Bible, said 'oh they check out', kneeled by my bedside and asked to be filled and started right away. I understood that I would not understand, but time has changed that because I often interpret what I say or sing in tongues...but I've come a long way since then

You should know too that I was brought up in a church that denied tongues was for today but I was searching for 'more' and more meaning in my life, and you know God likes that in a person. He is always willing

please don't fuss over it or let the naysayers sway you

even my dad eventually spoke in tongues and he was the most reserved person you can think of

you may have noticed...I'm available for chat now...well me and everyone else

are these chats private? not sure

Yeah, i almost wrote you, had it going with the font and thought to self.... but um, she didn't want messages before, she might not like it now, lol.

Sister, not fuss about it might be key, forcing it, you know?

I will keep praying and trusting. Thanks for your feedback.

 

[CharliRenee]

Not adressed to me but I will still shove my opinion in!

I just FELT WORDS coming out. I had been praying for the gift PREVIOUSLY. But I believe I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit at my water baptism.

Its different for everybody. God works how He wants. I think thats one of the problems we have as westerners, we like to make everything into a A,B,C organized list.

True, but it is encouraging to know it is possible. Thank you, it has to bring you closer to Him because, and maybe I'm wrong, it seems that the Holy Spirit working that way would be so surreal. Praise the Lord. He is so worthy to be praised.

 

[CharliRenee]

Not everyone is given all gifts, it may not be you, my aunt walked away from god because she could not speak either, and she felt ashamed, so she made up something which sounded like what others were saying, and the pastor said he interpreted her, which she knew was false.

While it would be great as laftur said to pray like that, god may have other things he needs me to do, so i will continue to seek whatever that is out, if God grants me the gift, i will praise him if not, i will still praise him.

Yes, I totally agree, He is so worthy to be praised, in all ways, always. Perhaps it is a thing of too much me not enough He, you know a dying to self thing. I guess striving to is also not trusting His will and work within. He will get us where we need to be, when we need to be, if we need to be. I suppose it comes down to...if it is your will Lord. Thanks brother, God Bless you and yours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I totally agree, He is so worthy to be praised, in all ways, always. Perhaps it is a thing of too much me not enough He, you know a dying to self thing. I guess striving to is also not trusting His will and work within. He will get us where we need to be, when we need to be, if we need to be. I suppose it comes down to...if it is your will Lord. Thanks brother, God Bless you and yours.

Amen, i agree completely, God bless you as well sis

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I did not even look at it. i have seen to many of them already LOL

for sure

I use that site myself sometimes because they have alot of scripture but they are cessationist (not your favorite word I know)

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yeah, i almost wrote you, had it going with the font and thought to self.... but um, she didn't want messages before, she might not like it now, lol.

Sister, not fuss about it might be key, forcing it, you know?

I will keep praying and trusting. Thanks for your feedback.

yes...well that's my phobia...

honestly? when I prayed, I had no doubt it would just happen but if you learn one thing about God, He is not a copy cat of Himself

probably one reason the Holy Spirit is described as the wind...I would not fuss

hugs

 

[Noose]

so you still cannot say what edify means?

I don't feel your pain...because there is none. you avoid answering what will give away your false beliefs and try to blabber your way through the fact you have no clue

you don't have sound doctrine anymore than your bestie in this thread does

should we be surprised you have aligned yourself with a non-believer who refuses to say what he believes but has admitted it is 'spiritual'

yes, gibberish is an understatement when referring to your responses

Edify means building up and in the spiritual sense, building up only comes with understanding and no other means.

Self edification is self seeking when it comes to gifts because gifts are meant to build all in the same way different body parts work together in the body. If the whole body were an eye, how would you listen?

If for edification of others, you must have your tongue interpreted for their understanding, how can one claim self edification if they don't understand what they are saying? if it is possible to build yourself up without any understanding, then it is also possible to build others without their understanding - 1 Cor 14 says no.

Your error is thinking that the gift of tongue means meaningless words, no, it was a language.

 

[Noose]

you surely do not know what the word greater is or means from the verse you used.

Then you try to make up false things I have said. You tell lies. That is what you did. I am not claiming to do anything more than Jesus, that is a false narrative you created out of your foolishness.

ANYTHING WE DO is to and for the glory of God.

Jesus uses us, yet it is still God who is doing it. Kind of hard to understand that with carnal mindset.

IN CONTEXT TO JESUS
Earthly ministry how many people did HE reach for the three and half years? How many did the Apostles reach and win to the Lord after Our Lord ascended to Heaven?
How many have the Church seen come to the Lord from us preaching the gospel from that time until now? We have done the greater with GOD doing it through us YET IT IS STILL GOD. The Apostles reach more than Jesus as the Holy Spirit helped them to do so, God gets the glory not man .

The gospel of salvation was preached by Jesus through His words and actions (flesh) including death on the cross. Then Jesus spread this gospel of salvation throughout the world through His appointees who He gave authority to do that. He told them " whoever listens to you will have listened to me..". When they accomplished their task, the end times came and now we are in it.

In this end times, God has not appointed anyone and put His word in them but the words and works of Jesus which are spirit and life are documented in the scripture for us. Our work is to read and seek understanding, no one is to appoint themselves. That is why the new covenant (church) should not have observable signs, everyone is their own priest because we deal with God directly with no middle men. Middle men were for the old covenant.

Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.

32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to d them, e ”
declares the Lord.

33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”


And the word great would never mean 'less' in all the contexts in this entire world.