Are there two gospels or ONE?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
J

John146

Senior Member
#521
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#521
Absolutely said:
The devil and many unsaved believe it.

None if which are saved.

Its in James.
( one of the books you don't take seriously)
Click to expand...
James is the word of God. But to whom is James written?

Actually, read the Scripture. I'll post it for you.

James 2:19 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

What do the devils believe? That there is one God. Let's not add to Scripture.

According to you, the unclean devil would be saved because he acknowledges Jesus. That's all you need to do right?

33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#522
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#522
Wansvic said:
Each must believe that Jesus was the Messiah and believe that His death, burial, and resurrection opened the way for mankind to be saved. Without this understanding whatever one does is pointless.

Also, scripture states that one must OBEY the gospel.

2 Thess 1:8-9
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

1 Peter 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

How does one obey the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ? They follow God's commands given to Peter which he presented on the Day of Pentecost: repent, be baptized in Jesus name, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Click to expand...
Yesb they ate called the essemtials of the faith.
In fact you left some out.
I believe all of them.
That is Different that the point I am making.

The TRUTH IS; initial salvation may,or may not quoting or understanding those ESSENTIALS.
YES ESSENTIALS.
THEY ARE ESSENTIALS.
ESSENTIAL AND ETERNALLY ESSENTIAL.

You guys see sentences w/o hearing what is said.
John Doe gets radically saved.
He understands nothing of dbr.
10 minutes later he is taught ESSENTIALS.

You guys have him lost and going to hell for 10 minuted AFTER salvation.

I never heard of anything that absurd in my 40 years walking with Jesus
 
T

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
#523
Aug 3, 2018
10,887
2,112
113
#523
Absolutely said:
The devil and many unsaved believe it.

None if which are saved.

Its in James.
( one of the books you don't take seriously)
Click to expand...
"19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

A lot of "religions" believe "there is one God" (they just don't believe that Jesus was God, but merely a prophet, a good man, an example to aspire to, a brother of satan, a leader of a new revolution, a ... [etc]).



[I was still typing when John146/poster posted his response :D ]
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#524
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#524
John146 said:
James is the word of God. But to whom is James written?

Actually, read the Scripture. I'll post it for you.

James 2:19 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

What do the devils believe? That there is one God. Let's not add to Scripture.

According to you, the unclean devil would be saved because he acknowledges Jesus. That's all you need to do right?

33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,
34 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.
Click to expand...
...and of course hebrews is also in the non aplicable pile of "take it or leave it i can skip it "conflict.

What else besides those do you get out of taking seriously?

Pssst, James was written before the gentiles were legitimised.
The first church was all jewish.
(How do you skip over it knowing there were no gentile churches at the time for james to write to?)

That means,you basically think the first churches were not only unsaved, but preached that they knew nothing of the dbr,even though,like paul,they witnessed it and were saved.

Oh.wait,paul,even though he wasn't saved gets a pass because you need him to be under some. Pre salvation dbr understanding or the salvation on the road to Damascus was a fluke.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#525
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#525
TheDivineWatermark said:
"19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

A lot of "religions" believe "there is one God" (they just don't believe that Jesus was God, but merely a prophet, a good man, an example to aspire to, a brother of satan, a leader of a new revolution, a ... [etc]).



[I was still typing when John146/poster posted his response :D ]
Click to expand...
James is saying the devils believe.

Believe but are damned. As are many of earths inhabitants.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#528
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#528
QUOTE ;
"If you are so confident it escaped me, why not just quote the sermon by Peter at Pentecost? Then all of us can see at which part Peter taught that ""Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and God resurrect him on the third day as a proof that all our sins are forgiven and we are now the righteousness of God in Christ"
You can't because Peter used the death and resurrection of Christ to verify that Jesus is indeed the Messiah and the Son of God that was promised to the Jews. There is a big difference between that and what Paul used the cross for.[/QUOTE]



They both knew Jesus . that is way above formulas.
The both preached Jesus as savior.

Under your misunderstanding ,the early church is unsaved and the non pauline books are optional and to be refuted as irrelevant.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#530
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#530
Absolutely said:
...and of course hebrews is also in the non aplicable pile of "take it or leave it i can skip it "conflict.

What else besides those do you get out of taking seriously?
Click to expand...
Why do you say such things? I love the book of Hebrews and James. There are many applications to our lives today. Hebrews gives us a history lesson on our Savior.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#531
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#531
Absolutely said:
...and of course hebrews is also in the non aplicable pile of "take it or leave it i can skip it "conflict.

What else besides those do you get out of taking seriously?

Pssst, James was written before the gentiles were legitimised.
The first church was all jewish.
(How do you skip over it knowing there were no gentile churches at the time for james to write to?)

That means,you basically think the first churches were not only unsaved, but preached that they knew nothing of the dbr,even though,like paul,they witnessed it and were saved.

Oh.wait,paul,even though he wasn't saved gets a pass because you need him to be under some. Pre salvation dbr understanding or the salvation on the road to Damascus was a fluke.
Click to expand...
To the twelve tribes...who are the twelve tribes all throughout Scripture? The twelve tribes all throughout Scripture are the nation of Israel as a whole and never a called out group from that nations as you suggest. Was the entire nation of Israel saved?
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#532
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#532
John146 said:
Why do you say such things? I love the book of Hebrews and James. There are many applications to our lives today. Hebrews gives us a history lesson on our Savior.
Click to expand...
So your " who is it to" is abstractly applied at liesure?

And what of the author?

If non pauline,it is not very acvurate like James.

Remember.James is to the Hebrews.
Oooops
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#533
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#533
John146 said:
To the twelve tribes...who are the twelve tribes all throughout Scripture? The twelve tribes all throughout Scripture are the nation of Israel as a whole and never a called out group from that nations as you suggest. Was the entire nation of Israel saved?
Click to expand...
Hebrews as well
Do the same to that book.

Hebrews is Jews. So it,Hebrews , is NOT to the church.
Be consistent

And who wrote it.

Remember,no matter what.

Who wrote it,....and,.... To who

I betcha i can find paul only adherants that do that very thing to Hebrews.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#534
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#534
Absolutely said:
So your " who is it to" is abstractly applied at liesure?

And what of the author?

If non pauline,it is not very acvurate like James.

Remember.James is to the Hebrews.
Oooops
Click to expand...
Doctrine is direct, literal teaching I should heed to for my life. Application is taking a lesson and spiritually apply it to my life.

In the book of Jonah, God gave directions to literally follow. Those directions were for Jonah, not me. Spiritual application: I too have directions to follow. I too have a message to give. It's not a message of destruction but a gospel message. It's not just to Nineveh, but the whole world.

God's directions in the book of Jonah is FOR me to study and apply principles, but not TO me to live by literally.
 
J

John146

Senior Member
#535
Jan 13, 2016
17,097
3,683
113
#535
Absolutely said:
Hebrews as well
Do the same to that book.

Hebrews is Jews. So it,Hebrews , is NOT to the church.
Be consistent

And who wrote it.

Remember,no matter what.

Who wrote it,....and,.... To who

I betcha i can find paul only adherants that do that very thing to Hebrews.
Click to expand...
TO not FOR
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#536
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#536
Yepb Hebrews is another that bites the dust.

Could be authored by Paul.
But maybe not.

Can we take the chance?

NO. IT MUST BE EVICTED AS IS JAMES.
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#537
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#537
John146 said:
Doctrine is direct, literal teaching I should heed to for my life. Application is taking a lesson and spiritually apply it to my life.

In the book of Jonah, God gave directions to literally follow. Those directions were for Jonah, not me. Spiritual application: I too have directions to follow. I too have a message to give. It's not a message of destruction but a gospel message. It's not just to Nineveh, but the whole world.

God's directions in the book of Jonah is FOR me to study and apply principles, but not TO me to live by literally.
Click to expand...
So Faith,prayer, believing, in James is metaphorically applied like a lesson from Joannah?
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#538
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#538
John146 said:
TO not FOR
Click to expand...
John146 said:
Why do you say such things? I love the book of Hebrews and James. There are many applications to our lives today. Hebrews gives us a history lesson on our Savior.
Click to expand...
Oh dear,i found something really bad.
That ole non inspired book to the jews is another false gospel.
Imediately strike it down.

Note the different Gospel:
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
What a shame. Another deal where it was to and for some strange people.

But wait. It gets even worse;
The Epistle to the Hebrews
The drift and end of this Epistle, is to show that Jesus Christ the Son of God both God and man, is that true eternal and only Prophet, King, and high Priest, that was shadowed by the figures of the old Law, and is now indeed exhibited: of whom the whole Church ought to be taught, governed and sanctified.

1 2 To show that the doctrine which Christ brought, is most excellent, in that it is the knitting up of all prophecies, 4 he advanceth him above the Angels: 10 And proveth by divers testimonies of the Scripture, that he far passeth all others.

1 At [a]sundry times and in divers manners God spake in the old time to our fathers by the Prophets: in these [b]last days he hath spoken unto us by his [c]Son,

I tell you it is looking bad,very bad that God the father mis understood salvation.
 
T

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
#540
Aug 3, 2018
10,887
2,112
113
#540
One way to look at it is like this:

--some contexts/passages are about our Rapture, whereas other contexts/passages are about His Second Coming to the earth. Those who do not distinguish these, blur them all together into the same point in time. Distinguishing them (as we are called to do) is not evil, heresy, wicked, nor disregarding all other Scriptures as unbiblical or uninspired (by God), though some like to accuse it [a certain rapture-doctrine] as such ;) . It is applying the Scriptures properly ("rightly/correctly apportion [G3718]," rather than to apply it all in some willy-nilly fashion, thus making it mush)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.