Praying in Tongues

[Kavik]

that's not biblical tongues and it is non-relevant to the subject

I also read where they learn songs phonetically

and it's a pretty big group...not just 2 members

I found the music 'snake like' and did not like her voice or intonations

No, it's an idiogloss which is similar to 'tongues'/glossolalia.

I'm not sure what other languages they sing in, so sure, it's very possible they learn the lyrics phonetically - there's a lot of Irish groups who sing particular songs in Gaelic, but have learned the lyrics phonetically. Sometimes you can tell, sometimes they do a pretty good job of it.

I'm not familiar with the group, so not sure how many member. The two people I referenced seem to be the 'key' members.

Music is very subjective - not all genres will appeal to all people.

 

[kaylagrl]

The bible also says bad company corrupts good morals; if there are people in the assembly that believe speaking meaningless words and people raising the dead is a possibility today, then i'm good being alone.

I believe God can raise the dead and heal the sick only that the time when He granted individual the gift to do all these is long gone.
It is not possible to raise the dead not because God can not, but because it is harvest time:

Rev 14:
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

14And I looked and saw a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was One like the Son of Man,c with a golden crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.

15Then another angel came out of the temple, crying out in a loud voice to the One seated on the cloud, “Swing Your sickle and reap, because the time has come to harvest; for the crop of the earth is ripe.” 16So the One seated on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested.

Oh,so now we're bad company? smh You need to connect to a Living God!! The same strips that paid for your salvation,paid for your healing. If He no longer heals,then He no longer saves. So no one has been saved since Christ left earth. You better take a look in the Book. You have some serious errors.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

@ post

if this is tongues.
& tbh, i'd probably want to hear it being interpreted by more than one person without the two having any communication with each other, to test whether the claim of a gift of interpretation is equally genuine. there are many wolves in the church; many clever, clever wolves, and on this subject, we sheep are profoundly easy to fool. i want to distinguish between emotionalism and truth.

I have not listened cause I don't have the time to waste on it. she should not be singing in tongues, if it is, and there should be no interpretation.

it seems you might have the person gifted 'using' the gift, but this is not OT seer stuff or prophetic OT renderings here

perhaps study how the gift is used before making such assumptions

we have a choice on how we behave and what we do with what God gives us.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No, it's an idiogloss which is similar to 'tongues'/glossolalia.

I'm not sure what other languages they sing in, so sure, it's very possible they learn the lyrics phonetically - there's a lot of Irish groups who sing particular songs in Gaelic, but have learned the lyrics phonetically. Sometimes you can tell, sometimes they do a pretty good job of it.

I'm not familiar with the group, so not sure how many member. The two people I referenced seem to be the 'key' members.

Music is very subjective - not all genres will appeal to all people.

have you looked at their fb page? I've read several articles.

I would not have said what I did without checking first. otherwise I'm just blabbering

I know how subjective music is.

 

[posthuman]

Welcome - it would be cool to see if anyone has transcribed the lyrics to any of the songs - but, she seems to sing in more an 'operatic style' which makes it rather difficult to transcribe.

i've never seen a transcription. but like you pointed out, she is able to repeat the songs in performances, so she probably does have some way to transcribe them for herself, tho AFAIK it's not something that's ever been made public

 

[7seasrekeyed]

cantata is Latin for sing Iirc.. it's the name of the song, the group I posted is called dead can dance. the woman is very reclusive, but it's known she was raised pentecostal. she recorded a solo album in Hebrew singing the Lord's prayer, and has made a few public statements about Christ as though she believes He is, but the group overall, as I said, expresses a very new-age amalgamation of spiritual beliefs. she may or may not be a believer.

i posted it because she sings in what one might call an 'unknown tongue' and i think it's a very relevant and interesting example for the thread.

she is not a Christian

I have heard both fake and demonic tongues...I already stated I did not like her singing or her music

let me be clearer. I don't like the spirit that comes with it

I think I was right with my first reaction to your post after all

 

[kaylagrl]

I said, when a muslim prays, the glory goes to alah and when a Hindu prays, the glory goes to the cow, an atheist gives glory to themselves. Everyone has their own peculiar prayer/need but at the end of the day, only the will of God is done regardless. So in essence, there's no such thing as praying in tongues and seeing success as proof of anything.

Careful,you're very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Yes,only the will of God is done. And when a person is healed all glory goes to Him.

 

[RickyZ]

Y
A Hindu will say they prayed to a cow and someone was convinced not to commit suicide- glory goes to the cow
An atheist says they have convinced a person not to take their own life- glory goes to nothingness
A muslim prayed to allah to heal a person and they were healed- glory goes to allah

Very very true. But because satan muddies the water with these fakes, you don't believe we should then pursue it TO THE GLORY OF JEHOVAH GOD?

Talk about baby gone with the bathwater...

 

[RickyZ]

I said, when a muslim prays, the glory goes to alah and when a Hindu prays, the glory goes to the cow, an atheist gives glory to themselves. Everyone has their own peculiar prayer/need but at the end of the day, only the will of God is done regardless. So in essence, there's no such thing as praying in tongues and seeing success as proof of anything.

Where's the crying emoji?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

And that is on the pastor who leads the church. The Bible tells us how things are to be done in order.

ha...on that note, I once asked a pastor whose church I was attending why he had a certain speaker who was a
suspected homosexual (later affirmed to be) come and conduct meetings at his church

the answer and disgusting response was: because he draws a large crowd

he's gonna have alot to answer for. interestingly, as I attended some of those meetings, the Holy Spirit kept drawing me to the scriptures in Jeremiah

23 “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” This is the Lord’s declaration. 2 “Therefore, this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says about the shepherds who shepherd My people: You have scattered My flock, banished them, and have not attended to them. I will attend to you because of your evil acts”—this is the Lord’s declaration. 3 “I will gather the remnant of My flock from all the lands where I have banished them, and I will return them to their grazing land. They will become fruitful and numerous. 4 I will raise up shepherds over them who will shepherd them. They will no longer be afraid or dismayed, nor will any be missing.” This is the Lord’s declaration.

this was before I asked the pastor about the speaker

God is holy and He will not be mocked

 

[RickyZ]

Careful,you're very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

And that there is what sets the debate about the gifts apart from any other subject.

 

[posthuman]

it seems you might have the person gifted 'using' the gift, but this is not OT seer stuff or prophetic OT renderings here

that is exactly what I gather the situation is in a whole lot of charismatic churches..

 

[CS1]

I said , good luck with your understanding meaning, there's no point of arguing the meaning of the word 'father' as used in Matt 23. If you want to believe that the Pharisees wanted to be called fathers because they brought people forth sexually, that's on you.

that is not what I said. clearly, you know that too. so you are just wanting to be insulting, were done.

 

[CS1]

Mr moderator, I admit to you I have had multiple life bans from this website. So can you please do your job and ban me. I promise you I will not be coming back

Tim416 just send a message to Site Admin. Ask to be banned by Once fallen.

 

[Noose]

Oh,so now we're bad company? smh You need to connect to a Living God!! The same strips that paid for your salvation,paid for your healing. If He no longer heals,then He no longer saves. So no one has been saved since Christ left earth. You better take a look in the Book. You have some serious errors.

"By His stripes we were healed" does not mean when we are sick someone prays over us and we are healed, it means He paid the price for sin on our behalf. I just the read the book and this is what it says:

Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.
2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.

Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.

You can not argue with these statements, they are true and real. We see both righteous and evil men die daily because harvest is for both tares and wheat together. But God has made it clear, precious in His eyes is the death of His righteous ones because they are rested from evil of this world. Read the book yourself.

 

[stonesoffire]

sorry post...I thought you were negating tongues and just passed over your video

the woman singing in this post is the closest thing i can think of to a glossolalia that may actually be genuine. she's pentecostal, though the musical group itself is some kind of broad new-age spiritualist. the song is a prayer. she sings in an unknown language.

is this tongues? who can interpret?

ummm....cantara is a Scottish Celtic rock band...perhaps ask them to interpret. on their fb page there is a post about them learning to sing words phonetically. so that would wrap it up I would think

but why would you think or imply it might be tongues? there are different uses of tongues and none of them apply to a music group. people do sing in tongues...I do myself but I also interpret...and often (when leading worship although I not currently doing so) words of praise to God would form...and I would just sing in English. that's a gift but I would never abuse it or use it

your unknown language appears to be known and performed phonetically.

btw, gifts are to be used for the edification of a body of believers...not for gain or a talent show...interpretation is a gift but to be used for edification once again. it's not a sideshow. frankly, I am wondering why you posted this? so easy to look up what is really going on in that vid and nothing to do with the gift of tongues

on that subject though, there are satanic tongues and I have heard at least one person faking it...myself and the other people I was with all opened our eyes when he started up because recognized immediatly it was not God

hard to explain all the connections to one who has not experienced but I almost always know, even in this forum, when someone is filled with the Holy Spirit...and that is not the same as sealed at conversion and does not mean salvation although you must belong to Christ to be filled...the NT does relay a number of people having been saved and receiving the infilling with evidence of speaking in tongues after believing in Christ



that's not biblical tongues and it is non-relevant to the subject

I also read where they learn songs phonetically

and it's a pretty big group...not just 2 members

I found the music 'snake like' and did not like her voice or intonations

I'm glad you said that about snake like because I envisioned belly dancing.

 

[Noose]

Careful,you're very close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Yes,only the will of God is done. And when a person is healed all glory goes to Him.

Blasphemy of the Holy spirit is both ways. Attributing things to God that are not God's is also blasphemy. Whereas i know what i'm talking about, i doubt your understanding of this matter, that's why there's fear of judgement in your statement.
The book says fear of judgement is not from God:

1 John 4:
15If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

 

[kaylagrl]

"By His stripes we were healed" does not mean when we are sick someone prays over us and we are healed, it means He paid the price for sin on our behalf. I just the read the book and this is what it says:

Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
devout men are swept away,
with none considering
that the righteous are guided
from the presence of evil.
2Those who walk uprightly enter into peace;
they find rest, lying down in death.

Psalms 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.

You can not argue with these statements, they are true and real. We see both righteous and evil men die daily because harvest is for both tares and wheat together. But God has made it clear, precious in His eyes is the death of His righteous ones because they are rested from evil of this world. Read the book yourself.

So we're back round the circle. Christ rose people from the dead. If death is precious then why did He raise Lazarus? He was almost home! Or perhaps,just perhaps you don't understand you don't understand what you're reading? Or you're twisting Scripture to suit your views. By His strips we are healed means what it says. Stop twisting Scripture.

 

[Noose]

Very very true. But because satan muddies the water with these fakes, you don't believe we should then pursue it TO THE GLORY OF JEHOVAH GOD?

Talk about baby gone with the bathwater...

Claiming to heal people or perform miracles does not give glory to God. We just need to walk by faith, without it, God is never pleased.

 

[kaylagrl]

Blasphemy of the Holy spirit is both ways. Attributing things to God that are not God's is also blasphemy. Whereas i know what i'm talking about, i doubt your understanding of this matter, that's why there's fear of judgement in your statement.
The book says fear of judgement is not from God:

1 John 4:
15If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

No,no clearly you don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have a private interpretation in which you are right. You're twisting Scripture to suit yourself. What does the Bible say about blasphemy and the Holy Spirit? What is it? Give me the meaning.