Praying in Tongues

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes, a good proof that we find speaking in tongues mainly among extreme and heretic groups and sects.
But not in the live of normal believers.

what is a normal believer?

I would not hesitate to state that would actually be a nominal believer

 

[7seasrekeyed]

IMHO, the degree to which this thread has descended suggests a need for it to be closed.

And no, I'm not pointing fingers.

the same will pop up again regarding tongues

the devil hates that gift more than others it seems

it is always the same people who go ballistic at the very mention of that gift

they are inspired

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The tragic truth......the only church in the N.T. that had an issue with the gifts and like today BOASTED of the ability to speak tongues, was the spiritually immature Corinthian assembly that had some 15 errors.........and it took over three chapters to correct their error.........many of the same errors are found within churches today that make a big deal of speaking in tongues and I am not saying this based upon bias and or a lack of info as I have many family and friends that attend these types of churches. Paul was clear and so is the verbiage found in the Corinthian letter.....if ONE is going to covet a GIFT Paul said to covet the BEST gift and tongues was not it........

I fully expect those that push tongues to argue against the truth..........

Fail, cease and vanish away are clear, so is the word perfect as applied to a 1st Century Greek speaking believer.

Super natural knowledge is no longer needed due to the completed bible
Prophecy is no longer needed due to the completed bible and the last BOOK of Prophecy
And tongues has devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......

When one can stand and speak fluent Mandarin with zero training in an open assembly with another to translate for the sake of a Chinese visitor that does not speak ENGLISH then the true meaning of tongues as applied in the 1st Century will be evident.

Why is it so hard for the truth to be accepted.

I fully expect you to continue to rail against tongues and haul in personal experience rather than biblical truth to try and persuade people you are right

you are not the first and certainly not the last

yet God will continue to move supernaturally in the lives of believers whether or not he has your permission and whether or not you believe

the Bible does not say you or other people will understand all tongues nor does it say when people pray in the spirit you or others must understand

you do not understand the difference between personal use and how the gift was first used in Acts

truly, that is your loss

you came in here in a mocking manner and then you try to say it was everyone else and state you expect those who speak in tongues to argue. the op certainly did not post anything to engender arguing, but in you anti-tongues people come and start your disruptions.

you don't see what you do

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The tragic truth......the only church in the N.T. that had an issue with the gifts and like today BOASTED of the ability to speak tongues, was the spiritually immature Corinthian assembly that had some 15 errors.........and it took over three chapters to correct their error.........many of the same errors are found within churches today that make a big deal of speaking in tongues and I am not saying this based upon bias and or a lack of info as I have many family and friends that attend these types of churches. Paul was clear and so is the verbiage found in the Corinthian letter.....if ONE is going to covet a GIFT Paul said to covet the BEST gift and tongues was not it........

Paul said do not forbid people to speak in tongues

he corrected their misuse and gave instructions

that is actually what occurred

but you take license with scripture and instead of acknowledging what it really says, you...YOU personally along with others, go BEYOND what is written and tell everyone to shut the hey up and don't speak in tongues

you forbid what God Himself has given

That, is what is tragic. and you don't know what you do. that is tragic also

don't consider yourself mature in what you do. tossing out what is written in favor of your personal experience and lack of understanding is not mature

 

[Noose]

no one is doing that here

Because no one is speaking in tongues here, i suppose they do that in their homes and churches.

however you are attributing what is of God to the devil

Meaningless words can not be associated with God, even a trumpet or a horn blow has a meaning and the musical instruments have notes and tunes.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

dcontroversal said:
And tongues have devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......

I follow the biblical imperatives for the use of the gift

I am neither Charismatic and certainly not Pentecostal

I grew up in a great church but they were against tongues even though people in the church kept receiving that gift for some strange reason (God breaking into their complacency)

I would not hesitate to go to the same type of church if I could find one where I now live....tongues are not necessary for salvation but they are real and the misuse of same does not negate the fact that God has not stopped giving his spiritual gifts to people

you do not understand the biblical instructions, say the opposite of what Paul wrote and conclude no more tongues

 

[Noose]

why should we accept your personal testimony?

you certainly have nothing but condemnation for anyone who does speak in tongues and have a testimony that honors God

but suit yourself

I just find it very strange that certain members here continually go out of their way to rage against tongues and use unrelated scripture to do so

using scripture out of context seems to be the one thing you all have in common

I have not asked anyone to accept my testimony, i don't seek glory from men.

Having an opposing opinion doesn't mean 'using scripture out of context'

 

[CS1]

Then you should read oneness pentecostal doctrine ( f.e. wikipedia)
And people here on CC told me that i am not a real christian, if I am not speaking in tongues.
Maby its not your view, but I am confrontet with such views.
Sorry for my bad english.

well as a Pentecostal I will tell you that if you have called on the name of the Lord as John chapter says you are saved. If you have done what Rom 10:9-10 says you are saved. Tongues do not save anyone Jesus does. I have not seen anyone here say one is not saved because they do not speak in tongues. And If I did see that they would be told that is wrong and unbiblical.

 

[CS1]

Praying privately! Reminds me of WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP HIS DISCIPLES STOLE THE BODY.
Started a ministry! Yep, great way to start it off. "I was alone, going to kill myself, prayed in tongues. Didn't kill myself..." Reminds me of hundreds who were in private, no witnesses, and started "ministries". Your acquaintance just had to tell you about her private experience and HER MINISTRY. Trust her and her ministry! She had a private personal miraculous experience!
Aligns with Mary Baker Eddy, Joe Smith, Jim Bakker, Mohammed, and many other false teachers.

really praying Privately is scriptural. Jesus said to go and pray in secret Matthew 6:6

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret (privately)shall reward thee openly. How sad you would attack the very instructions of the Lord Jesus.

Then use perverted comments of killing yourself. You gravitate to what you see as an error because you are in error. You look more to what other have done wrong then look at what Jesus said to do right.

 

[CS1]

Awesome...hopefully they will not take up the anti-biblical rhetoric that my three nieces are struggling with.

NO they have not thank God .

 

[CS1]

That would seem to add to the one meaning of the word Apostle ."Sent one". All of God's children are sent with prophecy, the word of God in order to prophecy or declare the will of God, the gospel of salvation .

The word apostle does nor mean special authority as if God was served with human hands to begin with. The laying on of hand a ceremonial law was a desire that God heal not a sign of healing. God heals indiscriminately. As believers we have the opportunity to pray for healing .But it never becomes a sign as a wonderment .

Jesus says it an evil generation (natural unconverted man) that does seek after a sign before they believe ..called walking by sight hoping the kingdom of God could come by observation.

If we would attribute the work of God's hand/will to the hands of fallen crestures . That is when men without the faith of Christ make gods in the likeness of men causing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

yes that is the context of an (a)postle not one Thee (A)postles Ananias was just a normal guy. If you remember the early church was being greatly persecuted at this time Saul aka Paul was on his way to Damascus with the legal power to persecute Chriatians. When Jesus appeared to him and he was blinded, who would be able to get to Paul with the littlest trouble but one not named James, Peter, or John. I think that is a wonderful picture Of Gods planing.

 

[CS1]

The context if from the beginning to the end, from Adam & Eve to the Pharisees to the very end, we have one Teacher in Christ and one Father in heaven. No church Fathers whatsoever.

Eph 4. They were teachers because Christ taught through them; He appointed them and that is long gone. Today no one is appointed by God, they appoint themselves or people appoint them:

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine,but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.

That time is now and it is even worse, they appoint and also gather around themselves, spiritual fathers.

Adam and Eve? We have no fathers of the church huh?

Matt 23:30, 32 "
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers."
who were these fathers it is not God.

Luke 6:26
Luke 11:47
John 3:49
John 7:22
and on and it goes and Guesss who said the word "fathers " ? Jesus. Learn the context of Matt 23 of "not calling one father " before you say not to call anyone father.

 

[CS1]

At first I judge nobody.
Second show me where the doctrine which came up in 1900 concerning the baptism with the Holy Spirit and as sign for that, the gift of speaking tongues, in the from you mentioned churchhistory. There is non. Except what is combined with the apostolic time. After 100 AD is no teaching till 1900.

the teaching of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit goes back to about 95AD you will find it in John chapter 1 Jesus is the Baptizer in the Holy Ghost. And that promise of the Holy Spirit goes out to all who receive Christ. The context of tongues is seen in the Book of Acts . all before the 1900's.

 

[CS1]

The tragic truth......the only church in the N.T. that had an issue with the gifts and like today BOASTED of the ability to speak tongues, was the spiritually immature Corinthian assembly that had some 15 errors.........and it took over three chapters to correct their error.........many of the same errors are found within churches today that make a big deal of speaking in tongues and I am not saying this based upon bias and or a lack of info as I have many family and friends that attend these types of churches. Paul was clear and so is the verbiage found in the Corinthian letter.....if ONE is going to covet a GIFT Paul said to covet the BEST gift and tongues was not it........

I fully expect those that push tongues to argue against the truth..........

Fail, cease and vanish away are clear, so is the word perfect as applied to a 1st Century Greek speaking believer.

Super natural knowledge is no longer needed due to the completed bible
Prophecy is no longer needed due to the completed bible and the last BOOK of Prophecy
And tongues has devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......

When one can stand and speak fluent Mandarin with zero training in an open assembly with another to translate for the sake of a Chinese visitor that does not speak ENGLISH then the true meaning of tongues as applied in the 1st Century will be evident.

Why is it so hard for the truth to be accepted.

it is the term supernatural the problem in context to knowledge? Ok then how about Godly wisdom is that supernatural? You are enticing scripture

 

[Noose]

Adam and Eve? We have no fathers of the church huh?

Matt 23:30, 32 "
Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers."
who were these fathers it is not God.

Luke 6:26
Luke 11:47
John 3:49
John 7:22
and on and it goes and Guesss who said the word "fathers " ? Jesus. Learn the context of Matt 23 of "not calling one father " before you say not to call anyone father.

Fathers- Ancestors- Biological connection.

Matt 23: 9 And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

No church fathers in whatever context you want to have or imagine.

 

[garee]

yes that is the context of an (a)postle not one Thee (A)postles Ananias was just a normal guy. If you remember the early church was being greatly persecuted at this time Saul aka Paul was on his way to Damascus with the legal power to persecute Chriatians. When Jesus appeared to him and he was blinded, who would be able to get to Paul with the littlest trouble but one not named James, Peter, or John. I think that is a wonderful picture Of Gods planing.

Not sure what you meant by "Thee (A)postles"?

I would offer if you have a desire to share the word of God as those sent out (apostle) into the world .That would make you an apostle. (sent one) Adding meaning to the word destroys the intent of the author . We I believe are warned not to add to a word singular in Deuteronomy 4:2 which is a different warning at the end of scripture in the Revelation chapter 22 now that the perfect had come we are not to add to the whole.

Some say Paul was not a apostle because he did not see the lord in person.

The Catholics have taken the word apostle and made it into a authority by which they make the word of God without effect rising above that which is written. Called apostolic succession

Ananias I think would be a false apostle who persecuted the church

 

[garee]

Fathers- Ancestors- Biological connection.

Matt 23: 9 And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

No church fathers in whatever context you want to have or imagine.

The word father is used in two way .One to supoort the gospel and the other as a brood of vipers that destroy the gospel as in all things written in the law and the fathers.

Paul who did act as a brood of vipers before his conversion as a "law of the fathers) oral traditions of men a false zeal for knowing God . Those kind of fathers called all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) a heresy as mere opinions of men .

Later Paul was accused of a Bible thumper because he refused to follow the law of the fathers (no faith coming from hearing God) .

Paul stated ..so worship I the God of my fathers. They worshiped the fathers as if they were God our father in heaven and violated the warning in 1 John 2:26-27. of those kind of fathers that say a man seen must teach us therefore usurping the promised work of the Holy Spirit, a picture of the antichrists

Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24;14

Same kind of waring not to put men in the place of our Holy Father in heaven rather than walking by the faith that comes through all things written in the law and the prophets, as it is written

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

well you certainly are tooting your own horn

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have not asked anyone to accept my testimony, i don't seek glory from men.

Having an opposing opinion doesn't mean 'using scripture out of context'

I'm glad to be so informed

well having an opposing opinion is pretty much the default position of many here

however, that does not change the fact you use scripture out of context to suit your own interpretations

but you know, I'll leave it at that . it's your choice

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I was praying in tongues, in a secluded room by myself. As I was praying I saw her surrounded by dark spirits. So I prayed that they be bound and silenced, and that she be taken to a place of safety. I didn't know what had happened to her until about a month later, and she didn't know I had prayed for her when she related what had happened.

yup

I have also a growing list of myself or others praying in tongues, sometimes for someone they know and sometimes a 'stranger' and then finding out later what was going on. In fact, I have had people tell me they were praying for me, led by the Holy Spirit (spirit filled believers although I certainly believe all believers can be led by the Holy Spirit, but in this case specifically tongues) at a certain time and it was a time I did need prayer in fact!

God is so gracious and kind to raise up someone to pray for others in need!