Praying in Tongues
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dcontroversal said:
And tongues have devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......
And tongues have devolved into some mumbo jumbo that does nothing for the hearer......
Hi Bro,
Hope you don't mind me asking.
Even if you do I'm gonna ask anyway
What's the MUMBO JUMBO you talk about?
Hope you don't mind me asking.
Even if you do I'm gonna ask anyway
What's the MUMBO JUMBO you talk about?
A man walks into an ENGLISH speaking church, this man only speaks MANDARIN and SOMEONE who does not speak MANDARIN stands up and speaks it fluently and ANOTHER in the ASSEMBLY TRANSLATES it or the THE MAN that does not SPEAK ENGLISH UNDERSTANDS what the man which spoke said and the end result is GOD being glorified by the ONE that did not speak a lick of ENGLISH......
I have yet to meet ONE person say this has happened in their church.......and MY family and the friends that I have that say they SPEAK in TONGUES have not, do no and in no way shape or form follow the above......they get up in some ecstatic dance, uttering some sounds that a one year old would mumble or make and play it off as "tongues"
NO ONE will convince this this is biblical..........I do not despise, hate, reject any who say they do this....I just do not believe that what happens in most churches which claim this to be biblical.....and the tragic truth.....MOST charismatics will say that if a person does not speak in tongues they are not saved...........and they ALL cite MARK 16 and NONE of them point out ANYTHING but the TONGUES aspect of MARK 16.
False teachers thrive off people like you. Her ministry is based on a private experience and she made sure put the two together.
You are now bound to believe her when she claims a private revelation to her from God.
She lines up with Mary Baker, Joe Smith, Mohammed.[/QUOTE]
And as we have seen, your position is based upon misunderstanding and conjecture.
You are now bound to believe her when she claims a private revelation to her from God.
She lines up with Mary Baker, Joe Smith, Mohammed.[/QUOTE]
And as we have seen, your position is based upon misunderstanding and conjecture.
I hear you D, you are right there is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much of that baloney going on.
But, while I am willing to accept that there are fakes among the truth, why can't you consider there might be truth among the fakes?
The dog and pony show is exactly what 1 Cor 14 is all about.
But, while I am willing to accept that there are fakes among the truth, why can't you consider there might be truth among the fakes?
The dog and pony show is exactly what 1 Cor 14 is all about.
Exactly I picture these as the people who went off and under their own power tried to invoke the Name of Christ. The demons said 'we know this Jesus fellow but who the heck are you?' If I remember it correctly these people got there butts kicked. And, denied by the Real Thing in the verse you quoted.
No, I agree with you that there will be a lot of people who are unpleasantly surprised on that day.
That's why discernment is also a listed gift; and testing a command, to those for whom they have not yet ceased.
No, I agree with you that there will be a lot of people who are unpleasantly surprised on that day.
That's why discernment is also a listed gift; and testing a command, to those for whom they have not yet ceased.
I am willing to accept the word cease applied unto tongues in chapter 13.........and the 1st century usage of the word perfect and how it is applied.....
It works. Debate semantics and theology and doctrine all you want.
I got on my knees before Jehovah God and did what He said to do, IN THE WAY HE SAYS TO DO IT, and some one was blessed because of it, to His glory, just like Jehovah God said would happen.
Olsteen et al - I'm right there with you, buddy. I HATE the dog and pony show, even more than you do, because it takes people's eyes off of what can happen one-on-one in a private room with God.
Its there for sure. It would seem like the Jews that did not believe (no faith) all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was the final authority in matters of faith. You just refuse to hear as what is called a "hard saying" as in who wants to hear that which offends. They murmured because they did understand but would not give up the oral traditions of the fathers as a law of the fathers .Just as it does with those who think tongues is some kind of secret prayer language of mumbling that they use to seek after God for confirmation ..
John 6 covers the idea of offensive language to those who rather do whatsoever comes from their own mouth .And is why God with stammering mocking lips spoke in other languages and no longer spoke to them in the Hebrew language alone which they refused to hear but now as promised in multiple languages as of Pentecost he spoke to his born again people
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven".John 6:41
Note …(.purple in parenthesis) by added suggestion to make the point that speak of those who have no faith that comes from hearing prophecy scripture . (red in parenthesis) those who do hear and believe or exercising the faith that comes from hearing prophecy in any language/tongue
Again not hard to understand but one that showed they would not believe the word of the lord as offensive...a hard saying .
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? John6:58 -61
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:Isiah 28:11-15
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthian 14:21-22
There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT for your assertion in Scripture. Come one Dino 246, quit making things up out of thin air.
John 6 covers the idea of offensive language to those who rather do whatsoever comes from their own mouth .And is why God with stammering mocking lips spoke in other languages and no longer spoke to them in the Hebrew language alone which they refused to hear but now as promised in multiple languages as of Pentecost he spoke to his born again people
41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, "I am the bread which came down from heaven".John 6:41
Note …(.purple in parenthesis) by added suggestion to make the point that speak of those who have no faith that comes from hearing prophecy scripture . (red in parenthesis) those who do hear and believe or exercising the faith that comes from hearing prophecy in any language/tongue
Again not hard to understand but one that showed they would not believe the word of the lord as offensive...a hard saying .
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? John6:58 -61
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:Isiah 28:11-15
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthian 14:21-22
There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT for your assertion in Scripture. Come one Dino 246, quit making things up out of thin air.
I was praying in tongues, in a secluded room by myself. As I was praying I saw her surrounded by dark spirits. So I prayed that they be bound and silenced, and that she be taken to a place of safety. I didn't know what had happened to her until about a month later, and she didn't know I had prayed for her when she related what had happened.
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The question I would asks is. Do private experiences in themselves validate un seen spiritual truth of God? Or is Christian faith which is not of there own selves limited to as it is written alone? Was the Son of man, Jesus in Mathew 4 blessed when he had his private experience or was his blessing as it is written in the law and the prophets ?
It is. That is one of the fallacies the fakers try to push on you, that your native language is not enough. I hate that too.
But english is of the mind, and your mind is limited in what it knows. I had no way of knowing that Vicki was about to cut herself, but God knew. And that, to me, is the key to it all. God in His infinite wisdom has made it possible to pray about things your mind is clueless to. And that's not the only time. Someone I met was mad at God because he and his girlfriend were considering becoming Christians, but before they decided she was killed. He didn't say how, but again while in secluded prayer I saw legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted as a cave or tunnel. When I told him about it, he said she had been killed under a freeway overpass. I told him to not be so sure she hadn't decided.
It's no mystery what the mysteries are - they're just things you don't know about. But God does.
But english is of the mind, and your mind is limited in what it knows. I had no way of knowing that Vicki was about to cut herself, but God knew. And that, to me, is the key to it all. God in His infinite wisdom has made it possible to pray about things your mind is clueless to. And that's not the only time. Someone I met was mad at God because he and his girlfriend were considering becoming Christians, but before they decided she was killed. He didn't say how, but again while in secluded prayer I saw legions of angels rushing into what I interpreted as a cave or tunnel. When I told him about it, he said she had been killed under a freeway overpass. I told him to not be so sure she hadn't decided.
It's no mystery what the mysteries are - they're just things you don't know about. But God does.
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So what language were you praying in?
And I disagree that English is limited because it is of the mind........WE reason with OUR MIND and I have had too many prayer requests answered to a T while praying in English....God understands the heart, mind and LANGUAGE of any and every man.........
And if GOD knew, why would he need you when he can drop a bible in her lap at any moment?
And I disagree that English is limited because it is of the mind........WE reason with OUR MIND and I have had too many prayer requests answered to a T while praying in English....God understands the heart, mind and LANGUAGE of any and every man.........
And if GOD knew, why would he need you when he can drop a bible in her lap at any moment?
That would seem to add to the one meaning of the word Apostle ."Sent one". All of God's children are sent with prophecy, the word of God in order to prophecy or declare the will of God, the gospel of salvation .
The word apostle does nor mean special authority as if God was served with human hands to begin with. The laying on of hand a ceremonial law was a desire that God heal not a sign of healing. God heals indiscriminately. As believers we have the opportunity to pray for healing .But it never becomes a sign as a wonderment .
Jesus says it an evil generation (natural unconverted man) that does seek after a sign before they believe ..called walking by sight hoping the kingdom of God could come by observation.
If we would attribute the work of God's hand/will to the hands of fallen crestures . That is when men without the faith of Christ make gods in the likeness of men causing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.