Praying in Tongues

[RickyZ]

So what language were you praying in?

Honestly, I believe it's our native language, lost at Babel, and restored when Christ returns.

And I disagree that English is limited because it is of the mind........WE reason with OUR MIND and I have had too many prayer requests answered to a T while praying in English....God understands the heart, mind and LANGUAGE of any and every man.........

And again, nothing wrong with that. Nothing short. Nothing missing. I prayed for Vicki in english. Didn't know much about her, but I did know she was into kabbalah so I prayed for that. It was actually at that point the tongue took over and I saw the dark swarm around her. And that's how it starts, usually, I start praying in my understanding about a person or issue, and about the time I'm englished out the tongue takes over. I guess you could liken it to a targeting aid? If all I ever did was pray for Vicki in english, God would have understood and sent blessings her way. This was like God handing me a sniper rifle, and giving me something specific to aim at. That's why Paul said to pray in your mind and pray in the spirit. They're a matched pair, and one isn't better than the other. They are best together.

And if GOD knew, why would he need you when he can drop a bible in her lap at any moment?

If God knows everything, why do we pray for anything?

 

[garee]

Honestly, I believe it's our native language, lost at Babel, and restored when Christ returns.

Native tongue, as it is written restored at the time of reformation, as in all things written in the law and the prophets??

 

[garee]

If God knows everything, why do we pray for anything?

I would think so that God can continually form Christ in us giving us his desires as the treasure of a new heart, not of us . Where our treasure is there we will find the treasure keeper who promised to finish the good work of salvation that he began in us (Philippians 1:6).

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have "this treasure" in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

 

[Dino246]

I was praying in tongues, in a secluded room by myself. As I was praying I saw her surrounded by dark spirits. So I prayed that they be bound and silenced, and that she be taken to a place of safety. I didn't know what had happened to her until about a month later, and she didn't know I had prayed for her when she related what had happened.

Thanks. I was fairly certain your post had been badly misread by others.

 

[dcontroversal]

Honestly, I believe it's our native language, lost at Babel, and restored when Christ returns.



And again, nothing wrong with that. Nothing short. Nothing missing. I prayed for Vicki in english. Didn't know much about her, but I did know she was into kabbalah so I prayed for that. It was actually at that point the tongue took over and I saw the dark swarm around her. And that's how it starts, usually, I start praying in my understanding about a person or issue, and about the time I'm englished out the tongue takes over. I guess you could liken it to a targeting aid? If all I ever did was pray for Vicki in english, God would have understood and sent blessings her way. This was like God handing me a sniper rifle, and giving me something specific to aim at. That's why Paul said to pray in your mind and pray in the spirit. They're a matched pair, and one isn't better than the other. They are best together.



If God knows everything, why do we pray for anything?

If only you and many others fully understood the bolded in your post.....think about what we do pray, how we pray and the things we pray for and or even against......now let me give you my personal view on prayer....

a. Jesus said you have no need to pray for the things you need to sustain life such as food, clothing, shelter etc. because your Heavenly Father already knows you need these things.

He then goes on to say this is how you pray....Our Father which is in heaven thy WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in heaven.

What if we are just to pray for the will of God to be done....nothing more nothing less when it comes to what we NEED...

Or how about this pray.....

Johnny Stax is sick so we pray for them to get better <---What if it is God's will they die and come home, are we praying against the will of God? What if we say....Lord, Johnny is sick...thy WILL be DONE? <----and leave it at that......

I personally believe our prayers are filled with way to much "self" and too be honest......I have found in my life that the most selfless prayers are the ones that get answered yes more often than not....let me give you 2 examples and this is how MANY of my prayers are answered...

Once on a Saturday on the way home from building a cabin on my property I prayed to the Lord and said, " Lord I am in the middle of this project and I need $200 to finish it and I do not have the money, if it be within your will can you help me find the money." The next day at church a complete visitor and stranger walked up to me, shook my hand and said the Lord laid it on my heart to give you this.......IT WAS EXACTLY $200

On another occasion...I had two guys from Arkansas up in Missouri hunting deer and I was guiding and setting them each day for a few days and had been sick as a dog with a fever and had not even hunted. I sat in my truck and prayed to the Lord and said..."Lord, i do not care if I take a deer this year and if I was going to be blessed with a deer I would prefer you allow one of these guys to take one." As darkness rolled in and with about 15 minutes of shooting light left I parked my truck and got out to go get one of the guys and at that moment a 330 pound mature Missouri White Tail buck with 165 inches of rack stepped up tot he plate and gave me a 30 yard broadside shot which I took.......I am convinced to this day that the selflessness of my prayer resulted in that deer.......

I fully believe that when it comes to prayer we should put everyone else first and ourselves last with GOD's WILL being above all..........

 

[Dino246]

Its there for sure.

Let's look at the passage again:

Acts 10:44-47 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

Now... WHERE is it "there for sure" that "They heard prophecy (God's interpretation) in their own tongue" as you claimed in post #723?

Nowhere! It's not there. It's not in the context. It's not anywhere in the chapter, nor in either adjacent chapter. It's simply not there. You made it up.

It would seem like the Jews that did not believe (no faith) all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) was the final authority in matters of faith.

The only "Jews" present were Christians already! Your position is completely off base.

You just refuse to hear as what is called a "hard saying" as in who wants to hear that which offends.

The only thing I refuse to do is tolerate your silly eisegesis.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUPPORT for your assertion in Scripture. Come one Dino 246, quit making things up out of thin air.

This is beyond ridiculous. You have left the reality of sound exegesis far behind, and cannot possibly defend your position from Scripture. Now, instead of humbly admitting your error, you turn and attack me instead. That's just pathetic.

 

[garee]

Let's look at the passage again:

Acts 10:44-47 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.”

Now... WHERE is it "there for sure" that "They heard prophecy (God's interpretation) in their own tongue" as you claimed in post #723?

Nowhere! It's not there. It's not in the context. It's not anywhere in the chapter, nor in either adjacent chapter. It's simply not there. You made it up.

All who heard and believed whose messag ? Whose interpretation of God not seen or the private interpretations of men, seen ?

How do you think they communicated with each other and were not barbarians to each other??

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Acts 2:6-8

Are they hard sayings that offend"..and yet for all that they would not believe the word of God's prophecy... God's interpretation to us not of us lest any man boast in false pride.

 

[garee]

The only "Jews" present were Christians already! Your position is completely off base.

That's a new one to my experiences.

What about the Jews that the sign was against confirming their unbelief (no faith) and therefore God mocked them by brinig His word in multiple langues /tongues and not longer Hebrew alone. .They call those who did believe prophecy drunks. Yet for all that they still refused to believe God but rather sought after their own oral traditions making the word of God without effect.

 

[Dino246]

All who heard and believed whose messag ? Whose interpretation of God not seen or the private interpretations of men, seen ?

How do you think they communicated with each other and were not barbarians to each other??

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Acts 2:6-8

Are they hard sayings that offend"..and yet for all that they would not believe the word of God's prophecy... God's interpretation to us not of us lest any man boast in false pride.

The passage under discussion at this point is Acts 10, not Acts 2. Kindly make some effort to follow the dialogue.

 

[Noose]

Exactly I picture these as the people who went off and under their own power tried to invoke the Name of Christ. The demons said 'we know this Jesus fellow but who the heck are you?' If I remember it correctly these people got there butts kicked. And, denied by the Real Thing in the verse you quoted.

No, I agree with you that there will be a lot of people who are unpleasantly surprised on that day.

That's why discernment is also a listed gift; and testing a command, to those for whom they have not yet ceased.

Nope.

1. These people are many and many just means many. You already have the picture.
2. They actually did the miracles supposedly in the name of the Lord, not merely trying. The miracles were successful and through the miracles they were further convinced that what they did was by God hence the surprise during judgement day.
3. These people are not Atheists/ Muslims/Hindus/ Tribal Jews/Satanists. They are members of the so called Christian community and if we are told they are many, then they are actually many within this Christian community even today. You get the picture.
4. On the other hand, we are told the kingdom of God comes with no observable signs
5. But the coming of the lawless one is in line with working of satan with every kind of display and signs and wonders.

 

[Noose]

lol then it does not matter what you saw either or heard or read. The people I listed are not authoritative , they are in the context of Church History and complement the word of God. LISTEN UP ALL NOOSE has yet again established himself as the Authenticator of History. You need not study or even read your Bible the NEW: NKLT has come out “ NOOSE Knows Living Translation”.


Really? So you think the context of Matthew 23 is we are not to call anyone “Teacher “? You are special kind of person. Jesus was speaking to who? And Jesus was talking about who? You see, the context of Matthew 23 and knowing what the authorial intent is you have to study. Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees. It was not that Jesus said not to call any man “teacher” it was that the Pharisees did not earn the right to be called it why? Because they were Hypocrites. IF we were not to call anyone “Teacher” Why is it we are told in scripture Eph 4:11-12

“ 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

You love to take one verse out of context, then tell us it does not matter what we read in context to historical documents.

The context if from the beginning to the end, from Adam & Eve to the Pharisees to the very end, we have one Teacher in Christ and one Father in heaven. No church Fathers whatsoever.

Eph 4. They were teachers because Christ taught through them; He appointed them and that is long gone. Today no one is appointed by God, they appoint themselves or people appoint them:

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine,but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires.

That time is now and it is even worse, they appoint and also gather around themselves spiritual fathers.

 

[wolfwint]

I told you what my Oneness doctrine is that I follow. The name Yeshua literally means Yahweh's Salvation. When Jesus (Yeshua) said He comes in Father's name, He is absolutely correct. His Father's name is Yahweh, and He (Yeshua) is Yahweh's Salvation!!

So, when I baptize in the name of Yeshua (like we see in the Book of Acts), just like Matthew 28:19 commanded the Disciples/Apostles of Acts, they are baptizing in the NAME of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit when they baptized in the NAME of Yeshua.

Yeshua (Jesus) said 2 things: (1) I come in my Father's Name (2) When I return to my Father, I will send the Comforter (Holy Spirit) in My Name: and the NAME portion of in the NAME of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit falls into these 2 things Yeshua specifically told us (He came to us in His Father's Name -He sends the Holy Spirit in His Name).

So in the Name of Yeshua means He is the Son, He is Yahweh's Salvation, and He sent the Holy Spirit to us. So baptizing in the Name of Yeshua is baptizing in the NAME of the Father-Son-Holy Spirit!!




About the speaking in Tongues issue:
Do you believe Yeshua is God?
Is Yeshua your Lord and Savior?

If you answered yes, I believe you are saved whether you ever speak in Tongues or not!!

Thank you, I know that I am saved. But this is not the point of this thread.

 

[obedienttogod]

Thank you, I know that I am saved. But this is not the point of this thread.

Agreed, it is not the point of this thread. But if members from here are passing judgement based upon whether you have/have not spoken in Tongues, in relationship to your salvation. It never hurts having someone who does believe in speaking in Tongues, to reach out and openly correct their mistake.

 

[Noose]

While that sounds sensible on the surface, it fails because Scripture doesn't call it blasphemy.

How many things does the scripture attribute to blasphemy?
Someone lied to the Apostles about the proceeds they got from selling a piece of land, they hid some and only gave a portion, they were struck dead because they hand blasphemed the Holy spirit by lying. How much more is attributing to God things that are not from God.

They were dealing with Apostles that time, we are claiming to deal directly with God this time. If i say, the things that i say or do is because God is doing them in me and it turns out that it is not God- how bad can it get. It is the pinnacle of pride.

 

[wolfwint]

I did not say revival is proof of tongues, good try interjecting a false narrative. I said the proof of the gift of the Holy Spirit are well -known in Church History and the Move of God by those who were Spirit filled. You discredit what is known and taught in just about ever Theological school and historically documented of what the church has done over the centuries. Tongues is not a false teaching. it is in the word of God found in Acts 2 and 10 and 1cor chapter 12 to 14. if you were right there would not be any moves of God ever. Nor would we be able to speak of the great men of have gave their lives for the Gospel. Your issue is with misuse of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Of course you would attack the moves of God they are Testimonies of men and women who have seen the Charismata and the pneumatka. AND gave glory to God . And were saved. You try to decided what gifts are for today and try hide as you rip out the word of God.

At first I judge nobody.
Second show me where the doctrine which came up in 1900 concerning the baptism with the Holy Spirit and as sign for that, the gift of speaking tongues, in the from you mentioned churchhistory. There is non. Except what is combined with the apostolic time. After 100 AD is no teaching till 1900.

 

[Sketch]

God is no longer bringing any new revelations.

In what book are the revelations that came to the Corinthian church recorded?

1 Corinthians 14:26-27
What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.

 

[Sketch]

88 something is not going to be received due to bais. Personal prayer time should be kept between you and God. Yet I agree time in prayer is very uplifting.

Bias, you say? (who's?)
So, if we have an experience with tongues in our prayer closet we shouldn't tell anyone about it, because it is personal?

That's a pretty thinly veiled attempt to silence those who have experiences with the Holy Spirit. To what end?
What were you saying about "bias"?

 

[Sketch]

for example, our native tongue; a tongue we can understand

Romans 8:26-28
In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God. 28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I said, attributing thing to God that are not God's is equally blaspheming.
Example:

Matt 7:
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

These people are not Muslims/Hindus/Atheists/Tribal Jews/ Satanists- who are they?
They seem to be very convinced that they did all those miracles by the power of God- a fatal error it seems; they were never guided out of it.

no one is doing that here

however you are attributing what is of God to the devil

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Well, i used to, not anymore. I can't speak meaningless words and attribute to God. It is childish and it has nothing to do with God.
My eyes are actually opened and i'm doing fine now.

why should we accept your personal testimony?

you certainly have nothing but condemnation for anyone who does speak in tongues and have a testimony that honors God

but suit yourself

I just find it very strange that certain members here continually go out of their way to rage against tongues and use unrelated scripture to do so

using scripture out of context seems to be the one thing you all have in common