Does God want us to choose between law and grace?
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The KJV is very reputable, and do you know the definition of concupiscence?
Let us quote more concerning the commandment thou shalt not covet, from Paul's point of view:
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:15-23
I don't see the relevance of it, and suspect that there is an agenda behind it, so, politely, No.
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As you are reticent to state whether desiring to sleep with your neighbours wife is sin, we had better leave it there. And as you also believe thou shalt not covet bears no relation to sexual sin, there would be no point in continuing anyway
We can debate that all day... but not in this thread. I have nothing against the KJV, but it isn't the one I use regularly, and it certainly isn't infallible. As for "concupiscence", yes, I do know the definition.
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Possibly you believe then concupiscence was an error to be written concerning the commandment: Thou shalt not covet
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You wrote and I quote:
The commandment against coveting is not linked to sexuality. One does not desire sex with the neighbour's house (Exodus 20:17a)
You were also reticent to state whether desiring to sleep with your neighbours wife was sin
It is obvious you fail to understand the fact that someone went into something I posted and modified it made me angry with cause. Think about how you would feel if someone did that to one of your posts. This not only is in violation of forum policy but also in violation of Christian ethics and this on a Christian forum.
You seem to not understand the word covet. Here are some definitions. Notice the difference between the two. Covet is stronger than desire. There is wanting ownership of the object of covet.
Exodus 20:17 ESV
“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's
cov·et
/ˈkəvət/
verb
yearn to possess or have (something).
"the president-elect covets time for exercise and fishing"
synonyms: desire, be consumed with desire for, crave, have one's heart set on; want, wish for, long for, yearn for, dream of, aspire to, hanker for, hanker after, hunger after/for, thirst for, ache for, fancy, burn for, pant for
"people still coveted things which didn't belong to them"
de·sire
/dəˈzī(ə)r/
noun
1. a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen.
"a desire to work in the dirt with your bare hands"
synonyms: wish, want; fancy, inclination, aspiration, impulse, preference; yearning, longing, craving, hankering, pining, ache, hunger, thirst, itch, burning, need; eagerness, enthusiasm, determination; predilection, proclivity, predisposition; informalyen
"I had a desire to see the world"
verb
1. strongly wish for or want (something).
"he never achieved the status he so desired"
synonyms: wish for, want, long for, yearn for, crave, set one's heart on, hanker after/for, pine for/after, thirst for, itch for, be desperate for, be bent on, have a need for, covet, aspire to; have a fancy for, fancy, feel like, feel in need of; informalhave a yen for, yen for, be dying for
"they earnestly desired peace"
required, necessary, proper, right, correct;
appropriate, fitting, suitable, called for;
preferred, chosen, selected, expected
"the cloth is then cut to the desired length"
wished for, wanted;
sought-after, longed for, yearned for, craved, pined for, needed, coveted
"the ruling party is able to manipulate the economy for the desired results on election day"
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Let me ask you. If you desire to sleep with your neighbours wife, have you committed sin?
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What I understand, is the extraordinary lengths people will go to in order to excuse sin. The amount of people who stress: ''You must obey the Ten Commandments'' who have no true understanding of what that entails. Many simply choose to ignore their sin(somehow) or claim they have not sinned when they have. I have seen it over decades. Covet means desire, the dictionary confirms it, and spiritual understanding of the bible should confirm it too!
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Rom7:7-11
Firstly, when you make a commitment to God, you should understand what the letter of the law demands. You then break the tenth commandment by desiring what is not yours to desire. If you are in earnest that obedience to the law is your righteousness before God, you then fear your desires where the opposite sex is concerned. Fearing they can send you to hell. The more you fear them in this regard, the worse they get. In the end, you are consumed by all manner of concupiscence. It has to start somewhere, it starts with sinfull desires, and gradually gets worse.
Firstly, when you make a commitment to God, you should understand what the letter of the law demands. You then break the tenth commandment by desiring what is not yours to desire. If you are in earnest that obedience to the law is your righteousness before God, you then fear your desires where the opposite sex is concerned. Fearing they can send you to hell. The more you fear them in this regard, the worse they get. In the end, you are consumed by all manner of concupiscence. It has to start somewhere, it starts with sinfull desires, and gradually gets worse.
Do you have any bible verses to back up your claim of being righteous from observing the law?
Or is that just your personal/church's philosophy?
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And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.’
Deut6:25
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. Rom10:4
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Nope, as I previously wrote, though a righteousness of obeying the law was in place, forgiveness of sin was still available
No one was able to obey all the law before God therefore no one was able to be righteous before God by their obedience to the law.
So there is no such thing as "righteousness" of observing the law.
Romans 3:19-20
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.