Does God want us to choose between law and grace?
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Really? Desire means covet. However, I think I am more in line with Paul's view of what thou shalt not covet entails. Rom7:7-11 recounts what happened to Saul once he made a personal commitment to God at the age of thirteen for a young jewish lad. I could recite those verses word for word, as to what happened to me once I made a commitment at a young age. Whereas you said, puberty just passed you by.
Paul said the letter of the ten commandments kills for a reason.
Paul said the letter of the ten commandments kills for a reason.
Are you admitting you did this to my post?
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s” (Ex. 20:17).
This is absolutely no reason for modifying my post and changing the critical sentence!!! The discussion was about the difference between covet and desire. Whoever did this went way beyond Christian discussion. It borders on evil!!
“You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor’s” (Ex. 20:17).
This is absolutely no reason for modifying my post and changing the critical sentence!!! The discussion was about the difference between covet and desire. Whoever did this went way beyond Christian discussion. It borders on evil!!
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Under the old covenant Moses told the people if they obeyed the law given at Sanai, that would be their righteousness(deut6:25)
Paul said: Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
As Moses knew people sinned, and the law would convict them of sin, was he wrong, and was Paul wrong to believe righteousness of obeying the law was in place? Forgiveness of sin was available for people under righteousness of obeying the law.
Saul the Pharisee, though he sinned believed he was under righteousness of observing the law as a Pharisee.
Did Saul or anyone else stop believing they were under righteousness of obeying the law when they sinned?
How could you POSSIBLY think that you lived under the righteousness of observing the law if it convicted you of sin???
This is very strange. According to such logic, no one lived under righteousness of obeying the law under the OC
Why would you call it "righteousness" if it didn't make you righteous before God???
The law does not make anyone righteous. Man is to obey it as the condition to be in a righteous state before God. As mentioned, forgiveness is still available for transgression under righteousness of obeying the law
The difference between being or not being under the law is this. If you are not under the law, the law cannot condemn you. Now before I get the response. ‘’But the law does not condemn you if you can seek forgiveness for sin under the law’’
There is a huge difference btween the two. As Paul knew!!
Paul said: Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom10:4
As Moses knew people sinned, and the law would convict them of sin, was he wrong, and was Paul wrong to believe righteousness of obeying the law was in place? Forgiveness of sin was available for people under righteousness of obeying the law.
Saul the Pharisee, though he sinned believed he was under righteousness of observing the law as a Pharisee.
Did Saul or anyone else stop believing they were under righteousness of obeying the law when they sinned?
How could you POSSIBLY think that you lived under the righteousness of observing the law if it convicted you of sin???
This is very strange. According to such logic, no one lived under righteousness of obeying the law under the OC
Why would you call it "righteousness" if it didn't make you righteous before God???
The law does not make anyone righteous. Man is to obey it as the condition to be in a righteous state before God. As mentioned, forgiveness is still available for transgression under righteousness of obeying the law
The difference between being or not being under the law is this. If you are not under the law, the law cannot condemn you. Now before I get the response. ‘’But the law does not condemn you if you can seek forgiveness for sin under the law’’
There is a huge difference btween the two. As Paul knew!!
Jesus said the law is in place until heaven and earth disappear. Therefore all are under the law. When we admit we sin we are admitting this. Those who accept the free gift of grace through faith in Jesus have the penalty removed from them. Too many think it has to be earned through works. No one can earn it. Those who ignore grace will be judged according to the law.
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Paul states the letter of the ten commandments kills for a reason. Growing up, I knew desiring a woman was sin. So did the apostle Paul.
I could quote word for word rom7:7-11 as my own personal experience once I made a commitment to Christ, as Paul wrote of when he made a personal commitment to God. For those who say, puberty just passed them by leaves only two options. Either they were not in earnest about God, or, they do not have the understanding Paul had of what is required to obey the ten commandments, namely in this instance, the tenth one
I could quote word for word rom7:7-11 as my own personal experience once I made a commitment to Christ, as Paul wrote of when he made a personal commitment to God. For those who say, puberty just passed them by leaves only two options. Either they were not in earnest about God, or, they do not have the understanding Paul had of what is required to obey the ten commandments, namely in this instance, the tenth one
